Thread: NZDA requires FAL number

dont believe it would be illegal - your permit gives you the right to carry a firearm on DOC land

Well well, I hope nobody in Hawkes Bay is jumping up and down, or even surprised by NZDA requiring their FL license details.
Because to use the well developed 100yd rifle range and neighboring 400 yd rifle range here in HB, administered and maintained by volunteers, you must hand over your FL details before you receive the key. Been that way for a while now, and no users complain about having to do that, so nothing new there and everyone's happy.
Amazingly though, that still doesn't deter a certain element from using the bench rests as backstops for their Targets unfortunately. So a damage report sheet for every user to fill in is being considered. And that's a can of worms for all involved.

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

dont believe it would be illegal - your permit gives you the right to carry a firearm on DOC land

So let me reiterate - it is not very useful to give advice if you are mistaking or representing your opinion as a fact

Originally Posted by Tentman

So let me reiterate - it is not very useful to give advice if you are mistaking or representing you opinion as a fact

Is it illegal?

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Well let's arrange a demo. We'll need a volunteer to be the shooter and invite old mate plod and someone from DOC to observe. Just for good measure maybe some trampers or the like can go for a walk in the same area. Our Volly will have to pay lawyers fees when up before the judge while everyone determines if it's legal or not (which based on the terms of the permits as already mentioned is unlikely) - if he/she loses I supose they could sell their firearms to recuperate some of their costs, they won't need them cause they'll no longer be a fit and proper person (to have a FAL)

Originally Posted by Tentman

Well let's arrange a demo. We'll need a volunteer to be the shooter and invite old mate plod and someone from DOC to observe. Just for good measure maybe some trampers or the like can go for a walk in the same area. Our Volly will have to pay lawyers fees when up before the judge while everyone determines if it's legal or not (which based on the terms of the permits as already mentioned is unlikely) - if he/she loses I supose they could sell their firearms to recuperate some of their costs, they won't need them cause they'll no longer be a fit and proper person (to have a FAL)

So is it illegal? No one seems to be able to answer if it is or isn't.....and have proof of the legislation or law stating either way

As for plod and Doc....never seen them out where I hunt....together or separately

Hamish

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Now kiddies - play nice.

Originally Posted by HNTMAD

So is it illegal? No one seems to be able to answer if it is or isn't.....and have proof of the legislation or law stating either way

As for plod and Doc....never seen them out where I hunt....together or separately

Hamish

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Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

A hunting permit shouldn't have anything to do with it. Public conservation land would be the same as any other public place.

Unless it's a doc rule specific to firing a rifle when not hunting, which it doesn't appear to be, then this will be the relevant law:

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/.../DLM72991.html

This touches on it. Carrying a firearm.

https://www.herengaanuku.govt.nz/kno...i-carry-a-gun/

Just don't endanger, annoy, or frighten any one.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

Might be a good idea for DoC to state it on the permit then, seems to be a bit of a grey area. As for the police policing it, you hardly see a cop on the roads these days, let alone in the bush

Originally Posted by Jhon

All it takes is a game camera that you don't see. Couple of years ago a couple of infrastructure workers decided harvesting deer on DOC land during work hours using the company branded vehicle was a good idea. After they found their photos on their management's desk of them with vehicle and branded work cloths, and their jobs gone, they might have rethought matters. Nor did they have DOC licenses.

Game cameras are cheap and you never know where they are deployed or by who. Bit like dashcams in motor vehicles. But hey, if folk want to play the odds...

Would have to be a very well placed game camera to show someone shooting at a target. In reality it would never happen

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

Your saying its illegal but then you say It does allow you to sight in a rifle????

Ive been with people on doc land before and they have checked zero on rifle.

Originally Posted by Hahn

A hunting permit shouldn't have anything to do with it. Public conservation land would be the same as any other public place.

Unless it's a doc rule specific to firing a rifle when not hunting, which it doesn't appear to be, then this will be the relevant law:

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/.../DLM72991.html

This touches on it. Carrying a firearm.

https://www.herengaanuku.govt.nz/kno...i-carry-a-gun/

Just don't endanger, annoy, or frighten any one.

Did you read the first line of the page link you posted? - the one about the Arms Act . . . Now read what GPM quoted from the Arms Act re land owner permission. Now tell me you are not committing an offense under the Arms Act. I agree the chances of getting caught are slim, but it's one cock up and there goes you FAL.

Originally Posted by Tentman

Did you read the first line of the page link you posted? - the one about the Arms Act . . . Now read what GPM quoted from the Arms Act re land owner permission. Now tell me you are not committing an offense under the Arms Act. I agree the chances of getting caught are slim, but it's one cock up and there goes you FAL.

You can't just read the first line. If you aren't doing a. or b. then you aren't conmmiting an offence... Anyway our local sight in range is on doc land and marked with a doc sign so I'll continue to use it.