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    Quote Originally Posted by mikee View Post
    Problem is the "majority" of firearms owners who should be supporting "us" are too busy throwing "us" under the bus cause they subscribe to the theory that some firearms are more dangerouser than others and if they give "us" up they will be left alone with their "sporting" stuff, whatever the hell that is. Just ask the next deer you shoot if he would rather be shot with a "more sporting" single shot or a bolt action or.............................!! Pretty sure he wont care
    Yup hear hear @mikee
    The thing is, there are just some complete dickheads with their head up their arse who are too arrogant to believe there are others with a differing opinion even if they use a similar thing like it has a bigger mag. Then they are too stupid to just keep their mouth shut.
    Or there will be firearms users who grew up with a single shot 22 and a 303 and cannot see any justification for anything else. They have no clue that they are throwing us all under the bus by commenting against the rest of us.
    Anti's use the 'thin edge of the wedge" mentality. Divide and conquer. Every victory no matter how small is taken and then they move to the next thing and so on.
    This is one of the reasons the NRA are so rabid and passionate in the defence of their firearms. I read about it in articles from old US mags back from the 70's.
    They identified the methods used back then. They have just mobilised way better than we ever will and have an almost fanatical patriotism to rally around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

    His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
    Was that Hitler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian 22. View Post
    Anyone ever tried complaining about the article to press council or ombudsman? Never tried before.

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    Anyone with a few zillion spare want to buy the herald and start reporting factual stuff??? I would.
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    Midway through yesterday Press here in Christchurch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickoli View Post
    Sounds like you need some perspective: check out:
    https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/
    Plenty of OIA requests, advice for complaining to the BSA along with the ombudsmen etc on heaps of issues where OUR sport is being persecuted....together with repeated calls for Justice System overhaul & a re-focus of the Police....
    I have read his blog. It is very good. I will try to find the bits about the BSA and ombudsman.

    Quote Originally Posted by 40mm View Post
    Anyone with a few zillion spare want to buy the herald and start reporting factual stuff??? I would.
    Same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambo View Post
    For Cahill.....
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    Shit yeah where can i get one
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    Quote Originally Posted by longrange308 View Post
    Shit yeah where can i get one
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    Australia is proof that the anti-gun lobby used the "divide and conquer" technique on the gun community - That is solely how the 1996 gun buy-back happened, Aussie shooters tore each other apart.
    It'll happen here too if we aren't vigilant about what is going on and inform others who are not informed. Strength in numbers is where it's at. If writing emails to the media and MP's isn't your thing then use your strengths elsewhere - Take the time to take new people out and introduce them to shooting. Even try take an "anti-gun" person out to see that responsible shooting isn't all that bad and that we are not the issue.

    On the plus side too, it's always fun taking someone out shooting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Australia is proof that the anti-gun lobby used the "divide and conquer" technique on the gun community - That is solely how the 1996 gun buy-back happened, Aussie shooters tore each other apart.
    It'll happen here too if we aren't vigilant about what is going on and inform others who are not informed. Strength in numbers is where it's at. If writing emails to the media and MP's isn't your thing then use your strengths elsewhere - Take the time to take new people out and introduce them to shooting. Even try take an "anti-gun" person out to see that responsible shooting isn't all that bad and that we are not the issue.

    On the plus side too, it's always fun taking someone out shooting!
    Didn't it happen here after aramoana a bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian 22. View Post
    Didn't it happen here after aramoana a bit?

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    I think that ill conceived mess was just rail roaded in by the Pollies and Police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadgetman View Post
    I think that ill conceived mess was just rail roaded in by the Pollies and Police.
    To cover up their incompetency wasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian 22. View Post
    To cover up their incompetency wasn't it?

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    Yup. A number of people had previously told police that Grey was not 'fit and proper' and voiced concerns. That was the real issue. The whole MSSA thing was to be seen to be doing something, even though most of those he shot were with a bolt action 22 if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadgetman View Post
    Yup. A number of people had previously told police that Grey was not 'fit and proper' and voiced concerns. That was the real issue. The whole MSSA thing was to be seen to be doing something, even though most of those he shot were with a bolt action 22 if I remember correctly.
    Funny that. Same thing with dunblane and the hunger ford one too......

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    There were the same warning signs at the Australian massacre at Port Arthur from what I gather. Also a bit of "grassy Knoll" conspiracy theory about another shooter too.
    I heard a whisper from years ago, cant remember who from, that came from that way. It went along the lines that the copper wasn't always that "nice" to Mr Grey at Aramoana.
    Seems coincidental that he was the first one shot but then it doesn't quite concur with that theory as If that's the case and there were warning signs, why wouldn't the copper have done something sooner. If he didn't like him why would he do him a favour and ignore alleged signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmiffy View Post
    There were the same warning signs at the Australian massacre at Port Arthur from what I gather. Also a bit of "grassy Knoll" conspiracy theory about another shooter too.
    I heard a whisper from years ago, cant remember who from, that came from that way. It went along the lines that the copper wasn't always that "nice" to Mr Grey at Aramoana.
    Seems coincidental that he was the first one shot but then it doesn't quite concur with that theory as If that's the case and there were warning signs, why wouldn't the copper have done something sooner. If he didn't like him why would he do him a favour and ignore alleged signs.
    I'm pretty sure the cop that was killed was one of the last, if not the the last, person to be shot. Not the first.

    His neighbors were the first ones shot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre
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