Thread: River to Ranges to sight in rifle?

Originally Posted by andyanimal31

There's a lot of talk about the assumption of different people shooting to different POI.
To be fair, yes on a scope with out parallax adjustment this will be a problem.
With correct adjustment on a scope with parallax you can take that variable out.
It then comes down to hold and trigger control and recoil management.
Most rifles can have upto a 1/2 moa change in their zero between shooting sessions hunting ect.
Most people can't shoot the difference to tell.
Pretty much rifles I set up I can get their owners out 800m hitting the gongs I can by working with them on the basics..
The one thing that amazes me is the amount of people shooting longer range with out a level of some sort on their rifle.
The talk of Duleys crew shooting other people's rifle I don't have an issue with as they all have adjustable parallax scopes and are almost always set up very well, by that I mean their data and shooting positions.
Only my opinion!

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Thanks for that Andy clarified it for me.
I haven't shot long range as such other that smacking magpies out to 200m but only shooting with my rifle.
Any shots that others use my rifle is 100-200m on a deer and not that difficult a shot.

Originally Posted by andyanimal31

There's a lot of talk about the assumption of different people shooting to different POI.
To be fair, yes on a scope with out parallax adjustment this will be a problem.
With correct adjustment on a scope with parallax you can take that variable out.
It then comes down to hold and trigger control and recoil management.
Most rifles can have upto a 1/2 moa change in their zero between shooting sessions hunting ect.
Most people can't shoot the difference to tell.
Pretty much rifles I set up I can get their owners out 800m hitting the gongs I can by working with them on the basics..
The one thing that amazes me is the amount of people shooting longer range with out a level of some sort on their rifle.
The talk of Duleys crew shooting other people's rifle I don't have an issue with as they all have adjustable parallax scopes and are almost always set up very well, by that I mean their data and shooting positions.
Only my opinion!

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You can't really argue with that

This has ended up an interesting thread. I disagree a little to what has been said about different shooters using different rifles. This is only my personal experience, I have shot a few friends rifles and never noticed any difference. Even had a mate who couldn't shoot his own very well, asked if I could have a crack and put the bullet in the center. I have set a number of rifles up for friends and helped them sight in and never seen a point shift. A mate jumped behind in my 300wsm at the time. He hadnever shot it before. He shot a few goats at varying distances. I believe as long as the person knows how to set scope up properly then there won't be any difference. If the shooter is having issues then it will come down to technique, which of course can be rectified. Cheek pressure is the usual culprit.
Not every Gun specialist at those retail shops know what they are doing. It pays to ask lots of questions. Having seen these set up by Hunting and Fishing staff and Gun City staff I would never recommend them setting one up for you. River's to Rangers in Rangiora I would say would be a great option. I don't know the guy but have read his multitude of articles and heard good things about him and his store. I think this a cool option for those that are short on time and access.

Originally Posted by 300wsm for life

This has ended up an interesting thread. I disagree a little to what has been said about different shooters using different rifles. This is only my personal experience, I have shot a few friends rifles and never noticed any difference. Even had a mate who couldn't shoot his own very well, asked if I could have a crack and put the bullet in the center. I have set a number of rifles up for friends and helped them sight in and never seen a point shift. A mate jumped behind in my 300wsm at the time. He hadnever shot it before. He shot a few goats at varying distances. I believe as long as the person knows how to set scope up properly then there won't be any difference. If the shooter is having issues then it will come down to technique, which of course can be rectified. Cheek pressure is the usual culprit.
Not every Gun specialist at those retail shops know what they are doing. It pays to ask lots of questions. Having seen these set up by Hunting and Fishing staff and Gun City staff I would never recommend them setting one up for you. River's to Rangers in Rangiora I would say would be a great option. I don't know the guy but have read his multitude of articles and heard good things about him and his store. I think this a cool option for those that are short on time and access.

I'm similar to be honest. I've shot heaps of mates guns and vice versa and had no issues actually shooting and hitting targets/animals with them. They aren't always set up 100% for me but that's because I'm left handed. Always good enough to shoot and hit a target.

Just reading the long method above.
For hunting rifles I always set up eye relief in the standing position. Unless it's a lesser scope with large change in eye relief thru power change that will accomodate most shooting positions. And lets face it, for shooting out in the sticks, in some weird positions you'll never get a perfect eye relief at the 100yd range for all situations.
Don't know how someone else can do this on your behalf?

For my F Class (prone) rifles, I set up eye relief laying on the lounge floor looking out the ranch sliders.

I bore sight on an power pole insulator around 80 metre away and then add 1 minute.
I can get on to a a4 sized target at 100yd with first shot and in theory be zeroed in under 5 rounds. This relies of a rifle of good quality, I had a mate with a rifle that we bore sighted and it still missed the target. Went ahead and zeroed it but something was weird. Banana barrel?

I don't see anything wrong with a tyro or someone without access to longer rages getting it done commercially. And I know people offering this service are doing it for a living but I would expect to learn myself how to do this.

Also if the commercial zeroing involved very steady rests/bags (would hope so) the rifle owner still needs to finally check zero with his most common in the field position be it over the day pack or whatever.

Slightly off topic but with draconian new Government regulations now in place covering Rifle Ranges, many clubs will simply not have the right people to deal with/interpret the mind-numbing paperwork let alone the huge cost in annual fees and range and certification visits. Many rifle ranges will close in the near future and there are a number that have already closed especially on private land. Casual shooting on a range even on private land will become very difficult as there are all sorts of rules you have to comply with.

Originally Posted by Remutaka

Slightly off topic but with draconian new Government regulations now in place covering Rifle Ranges, many clubs will simply not have the right people to deal with/interpret the mind-numbing paperwork let alone the huge cost in annual fees and range and certification visits. Many rifle ranges will close in the near future and there are a number that have already closed especially on private land. Casual shooting on a range even on private land will become very difficult as there are all sorts of rules you have to comply with.

To a certain extent its like the health and safety law; fear fuelled through miss-understanding the law and uninformed debate. While the new range laws are tight and a bugger it is not quite as you explain it. Many Clubs have got themselves up to scratch and untold volunteers are making sure the ranges function as they need to. Thats why we should all support these organisations. Casual sighting in and practice places where the primary purpose is not as a shooting range are not affected.

On the actual topic, for years I sighted in my sons' rifles (still do some times) and they always seemed to do ok. As have thousands of Dads. Ive used other peoples guns and they have used mine. Always worked in my experience. We over fuss some of this stuff.

From what I understand, this person already has the rifle & scope sighted in at 100.
What he is after is a long distance verification of drop at extended ranges, bought ammo most likely. Most hand loaders have a pretty good idea of what they are trying to achieve, but even so long distance measurements are critical.
Rivers to Ranges is offering is to do this, and so provide all the maths needed to provide a custom dial chart or a custom turret info needed to have one made.
Conclusion over all, it’s well worth the money.