Thread: serious moa question

Not really. Just need a big bit of it.

Righto so from what I understand of pills "settling down"

I have always assumed that if a rifle shoots 3 shots into 1/2 moa at 300 yards
then those three shots must have traveled the exact same flight path in order to get from point A (the barrel) to point B (the target)

I assumed any form of initial "wobble" could only manifest itself as a stray point of impact at all ranges in between be it right, left , up or down. But regardless of where it impacts the actual group size can only be the same MOA

It is an interesting topic. It would make sense that groups would only get worse - not better. So I still think its more a case of most people not been able to shoot that well (get tiny groups) at 100...but as the range increases and targets get bigger, its easier to centre your target and produce a smaller (in MOA) group.

But to throw a curveball (or should that be arrow) I was watching my daughter shooting her bow today and distinctly noticed the arrow start off with a large wobble, than ''settled down'' into a much nicer flight path....Hmmm, so there may be some real truth to this theory after all????

kj

Originally Posted by kimjon

But to throw a curveball (or should that be arrow) I was watching my daughter shooting her bow today and distinctly noticed the arrow start off with a large wobble, than ''settled down'' into a much nicer flight path....Hmmm, so there may be some real truth to this theory after all????

kj

Archers Paradox,hence the need to match arrow spline to bow draw weight.
I was amazed to see a TV advert for some animated film include this.

Originally Posted by madjon_

Archers Paradox,hence the need to match arrow spline to bow draw weight.
I was amazed to see a TV advert for some animated film include this.

Ooh ooh, pick me I know that one!

I watched this movie with the kids. My daughter now has her own bow! Mother bear gave me the look as it is her favorite present of all.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Ooh ooh, pick me I know that one!

I watched this movie with the kids. My daughter now has her own bow! Mother bear gave me the look as it is her favorite present of all.

Hahaha that movies is the same reason why my daughter now has a bow too.

Does arrow make you guys want bows?

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Ooh ooh, pick me I know that one!

I watched this movie with the kids. My daughter now has her own bow! Mother bear gave me the look as it is her favorite present of all.

What's the name of the flick?

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

What's the name of the flick?

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Brave

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Brave

Cheers

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Originally Posted by kimjon

So I still think its more a case of most people not been able to shoot that well (get tiny groups) at 100...but as the range increases and targets get bigger, its easier to centre your target and produce a smaller (in MOA) group.


kj

This has been my observation also.

Originally Posted by Tui4Me

To test this I believe you would need to do it in perfect shooting conditions with a rifle capable of shooting at least 1/2 MOA at 500 yards.

There will be no point aiming at and punching through paper at 100 yards in windy conditions as your test target 400yards further downrange will be effected by wind drift.

I think you really need to wait to good shooting conditions where you know you will get small tidy groups, set a target you will be aiming at 500yards and have sheets of clear stretch wrap or something set up 100yards ahead of the shooter?

Or use one of the prolific number of rifles that are claimed to "go to sleep"...

Originally Posted by kimjon

It is an interesting topic. It would make sense that groups would only get worse - not better. So I still think its more a case of most people not been able to shoot that well (get tiny groups) at 100...but as the range increases and targets get bigger, its easier to centre your target and produce a smaller (in MOA) group.

But to throw a curveball (or should that be arrow) I was watching my daughter shooting her bow today and distinctly noticed the arrow start off with a large wobble, than ''settled down'' into a much nicer flight path....Hmmm, so there may be some real truth to this theory after all????

kj

Could the fletching have something to do with it? Rifle projectiles dont have fletching...

More to do with shoveing a long thin flexy shaft really hard and fast from one end i think.

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Originally Posted by Toby

Does arrow make you guys want bows?

No.

It makes me want to change the channel