Thread: Shooting: The sport all of us enjoy - do your part in preserving the ability to do so

The US and them divide is a result of police attitude and action. I have a problem with registration. I have a problem with police wanting me to forfeit my right to not be searched without a warrant. I have a problem with increasing restrictions on my sport for no benefit to society, particularly when the justification is based on blatant lies and bullshit. I have a problem with proposed restrictions when the piss poor enforcementioned of current legislation is not being addressed. And most importantly, I have a big fucking problem with police making shit up and calling it law


EDIT I realise that this is coming from bullshit castle and not the Frontline troops. They are going to inevitably wear some of the frustration

I noticed in one of the police submissions this fancy chart full or corporate-speak. The bubble that says "Be Safe, Feel Safe" reminds me of a gun control debate I had with wifey last year. The masses are being fed lies (alternative facts, if you like) by the police association that the stats don't support. The masses that aren't LFAOs (and some that are) will support further restrictions on the law abiding because it will make them "feel safe", even though there may be little to no change in actual, tangible, measureable safety. For most, a perceived increase in safety is enough to warrant infringing on the rights of others. Warrantless searches, no more nice things, etc.

Those that trade their freedom for security deserve neither.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Where do live grenades come from? Army losing shit as well?

No idea, should probably stop the Army from having them though, on the off chance that it did come from them. xD

Originally Posted by systolic

The police and their union want police to be able to do security checks at any time on people with A cat licences, just like they can do already with those who have B, C, and E licences.

Sounds like a good idea to me. One every 10 years when you know the guy is coming is hardly enough.

NZ First have increased security inspections as one of their policies too.

They don't even have time to attend to burglaries so how are they going to have time to come annoy us?

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

They don't even have time to attend to burglaries so how are they going to have time to come annoy us?

Plenty of time for speeding tickets tho.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Plenty of time for speeding tickets tho.

#passiveincome

Abit of an aside. With these ominous suggested law changes, the A cat hunting crowd is starting to get a taste of what endorsed license holders have dealt with for years. Most people don't realise the headaches of basic things - importing being a prime example. Some people have waited over a year to hear back on an import permit application for simple things like magazines. I don't seam to have half the problems others do, but, I have forgotten more than once that I'd even applied for permits, as they just dissappear into the ether, than half a year later I'll get a random phone call saying it's at the front desk.

Another problem as of late is security. Again, I seem to have dodged a bullet, but others have had E cat safes for years, and then been told they are no longer accepted by police.

Another example of policy chopping and changing - we were once allowed to own rifles with folding stocks, that were still ok even if they could be reduced below 762mm, as it was considered that a folding stock was an integral MSSA feature. The police have even used the illustration of a Norinco Type 56s, with a folding stock, as an example of an MSSA. That rifle folds down well below 762mm. The former head of licensing and vetting Joe Green even issued a statement outlining why these were legal. In the last couple of months PNHQ changed their mind, and suddenly many of us found ourselves in possession of illegal firearms which we had to modify or dismantle.

We give up our rights for a warranted inspection of our property already. While I find the idea of this disgusting, in practice, the majority of people never get audited, I guess due to a lack of resources. How they propose to improve on this with their current budget and staffing levels, with the added burden of thousands of other people, I do not know.

Our firearm transfers are already controlled by the permit to procure system. The way things are written currently regarding MSSA's, nobody can even touch your rifle other than yourself, legally. Whether they decide to amend this with any law change we will have to wait and see. It would be pretty stink if a father/son could get in the shit for touching each others firearms without a P2P.

Make no mistake, if these changes come to pass, down the road you will find yourself on the receiving end of policy changes.

That's right Beavis.

Thankfully my folders still are sufficiently long enough to meet police's ever changing requirements. It is however perhaps poignant that Joe Green set that precedent (762+ extended) and then somehow got "managed out" and then the policy changed. As I've said and will continue to say, my security has not received any inspection since the endorsed application inspection.

Could it be that the initial inspection is really sufficient? After all, a safe doesn't just simply rot away... Well, not unless exposed to the elements for hundreds of years.

I'd like to encourage the NZ based youtube channels and VLOGers that are hunting and firearm orientated to raise awareness of this issue and challenge their subscribers and viewers to correspond with their MP.

Leave no stone unturned.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Plenty of time for speeding tickets tho.

Is that why they're getting rid of more than 100 traffic officers? They might get retasked to do security checks.

Originally Posted by systolic

Is that why they're getting rid of more than 100 traffic officers? They might get retasked to do security checks.

How about they get retasked to conduct burglary investigations? #toolittletoolate

Originally Posted by Maca49

Who is losing all these firearms?

Retards who leave their safes unlocked for a start:

Man 'duped' into posing as glazier before stealing guns worth almost $50,000 | Stuff.co.nz

The court heard Mosley and another man*burgled the property of a Dunedin Pistol Club member on October 25.
The pair*stole*28 firearms –*including five rifles, 23 pistols*and a large amount of ammunition worth $50,000*–*from an unlocked*safe and cabinet.



Edited to add: No wonder the cops want more power to check security. If a highly vetted 'fit and proper' pistol club member can't be arsed locking his safe after showing some 'ladies' his stuff, how can anyone have any confidence that a farmer or deerstalker will do any better?

Originally Posted by systolic

Retards who leave their safes unlocked for a start:

Man 'duped' into posing as glazier before stealing guns worth almost $50,000 | Stuff.co.nz

The court heard Mosley and another man*burgled the property of a Dunedin Pistol Club member on October 25.
The pair*stole*28 firearms –*including five rifles, 23 pistols*and a large amount of ammunition worth $50,000*–*[B]from an unlocked*safe and cabinet.

@systolic Pity those Police policy annual security checks didn't save us.

Originally Posted by systolic

Edited to add: No wonder the cops want more power to check security. If a highly vetted 'fit and proper' pistol club member can't be arsed locking his safe after showing some 'ladies' his stuff, how can anyone have any confidence that a farmer or deerstalker will do any better?

Now you're sounding more like a police plant. Please, do go on.

Originally Posted by systolic

So anyone who points out shooters, like this wanker in Dunedin, are there own worst enemies much of the time is a police plant?

Go fuck yourself.

If you can't be polite and mature with what you write, maybe its time for you to take some time out?

Originally Posted by systolic

Retards who leave their safes unlocked for a start:

Man 'duped' into posing as glazier before stealing guns worth almost $50,000 | Stuff.co.nz

The court heard Mosley and another man*burgled the property of a Dunedin Pistol Club member on October 25.
The pair*stole*28 firearms –*including five rifles, 23 pistols*and a large amount of ammunition worth $50,000*–*from an unlocked*safe and cabinet.



Edited to add: No wonder the cops want more power to check security. If a highly vetted 'fit and proper' pistol club member can't be arsed locking his safe after showing some 'ladies' his stuff, how can anyone have any confidence that a farmer or deerstalker will do any better?

Mate 50k of those type of firearms doesn't add up to many. We are talking thousands a year here, actual figures closer to ? 100? Nobody releases the facts, bulk shipments across the boarder? Look how many drugs get through and they are targeted with special forces?