Thread: Shooting: The sport all of us enjoy - do your part in preserving the ability to do so

Common theme here is not learning from past experiences and that things cannot change. Change is borne not from an idea but an action. Easy to suggest to someone, "hey come and shoot with me". That's an idea. Actually take someone there and show them. That's an action.

Originally Posted by Richard Prosser

Parliament isn't sitting today, but we are reliably informed that the Report will be publicly available later on today. We have people standing by to let us know as soon as that happens.

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Yep, now we see all the clever recommendations they've come up with. The only one that seems overdue is locking out gang members and affiliates from ownership.

As for individual registration of the actual firearms, where do I begin..? Obviously the committee didn't bother taking notice of the Canadian failure.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...ed-owning-guns

It's up now:

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/r...gal-possession

So they acknowledge that registration is pointless, and they're not gonna do it, but they are gonna record all the serial numbers of your guns, and make everybody go through the permit to procure process to sell a cat guns...what?

Originally Posted by Beavis

So they acknowledge that registration is pointless, and they're not gonna do it, but they are gonna record all the serial numbers of your guns, and make everybody go through the permit to procure process to sell a cat guns...what?

Sounds like registration in another guise to me.

What a fucking joke

The way they want it to be, they may as well just get rid of all firearm categories, and make EVERYBODY meet the vetting and security requirements for E category. This proposal is a total cluster fuck.

Yeah it conrtradicts itself below are the quotes. The MP's involved, can only be described as stupid. I will be emailing all of them:

We recommend that instead of creating a firearms register, the legislation be amended to
require the Police to record the serial numbers of firearms owned by licence holders.


We recommend to the Government that the law be amended to require the Police
to record the serial numbers of all firearms possessed by licence holders upon renewal of
their licence or inspection of their premises.





We recommend that a permit to procure be required for the sale or transfer of all firearms.
The permit process would give details of firearms transactions to the Police and it would
allow them to slowly build up a database of firearms possessed by individuals.

"...as a result of this discovery and a general increase in firearm seizures by the Police".

Still yet to see any data provided by police to substantiate the "increase in firearm seizures".

Also would make it illegal to sell rifles etc on this site withput Police approval

4 that it create a Police registration process for websites that wish to facilitate the
buying, selling, or trading of firearms, parts of firearms, or ammunition online. It would be
an offence to operate such a website without current registration (page 8).

https://www.facebook.com/firearmowne...697195769532:0

Aside from the entire recommendation being a contradicting and virtually unenforceable waste of our tax-paying money - it does absolutely nothing to address the problem of illegal firearm possession. It lists four different sources where illegal firearms are obtained.

Funnily enough the recommendation focuses exclusively on licensed firearm owners and completely ignores the others. I didn't see any recommendation for increased Customs screening of incoming shipments for example. Criminals don't care about permits to procure or endorsements or security standards. None of this is going to affect them.

The arms officers barely cope with the existing workload - the very document itself says that they are under-resourced and now they are suggesting a Permit to Procure to be required for every firearm purchase and in the same breath saying that registration is unenforceable but yet that's exactly what they are trying to do. They aren't even capable of doing a good bullshitting job!

We recommend to the Government that the law be amended to make it clear that
the secure storage requirements must be met to the satisfaction of the Police, before a
licence or endorsement can be issued.

It wants clarity on the storage requirements yet, strangely is not clear on what these requirements are? As for the "satisfaction of the Police"... That sets a dangerous precedent in my opinion. Based on their recent track record, police's "satisfaction" can change depending on which way the wind blows. I'm referring to OAL measurement of MSSA as an example, originally it was measured extended - now it's apparently measured collapsed.

So my 6mm thick safe may suddenly become "unsatisfactory" tomorrow and police will require a 10mm safe to be installed. Effectively a possible attempt to price shooters out of the hobby.

It wouldn't surprise me if firearm and ammunition sales went through the roof in light of this select committee recommendation.

They mention that they don't think A cat security needs to be as restrictive as pistols, MSSA etc so there is a light precident.

Regulation 28 sets out tighter security requirements for pistols, MSSAs, and restricted
weapons. One option for increasing the security of firearms would be to extend the
security standards for pistols, MSSAs, and restricted weapons to “A” category firearms. We
recommend that the Police undertake further work to determine appropriate security
standards for “A” category firearms. We think that the current standards need to be
increased. However, we do not think that the new standards need to be as restrictive as
those for pistols, MSSAs, and restricted weapons.