Thread: Shooting: The sport all of us enjoy - do your part in preserving the ability to do so

Originally Posted by Beavis

This is supposedly part of the Police submission

https://www.docdroid.net/euq1IzA/pol...f.html#page=11

Do you know where this came from?

Originally Posted by Sylvester

Do you know where this came from?

It's all up on the official website. True story. The ones with (Private) in the title are/were the "secret" ones, I think.

http://bit.ly/2pk8za9

Ok so total issues for the community caused by firearms are trending downward. Cops by their own definition are seeing cut down rifles as the biggest source of hand guns and compared to population growth the total number of serious issues is downward trending.

So despite all the rhetoric things are getting better not worse. So hey do we want to change things?..
#Justsayin

I think the current statistics support the status quo not undermine them.

Originally Posted by Sylvester

Do you know where this came from?

Its been shared on face book by the gun groups. No idea how legit or where it came from. Take it for what it's worth.

The inquiry asked the question "how are gangs getting hold of guns". The simple answer is that the cops have issued firearms licenced to 29 or so gang members! Yet this is somehow OUR fault!

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Originally Posted by Beavis

This is supposedly part of the Police submission

https://www.docdroid.net/euq1IzA/pol...f.html#page=11

Thanks for posting the link Beavis.
The data certainly does not support the committees recommendations.

Originally Posted by Beavis

So they acknowledge that registration is pointless, and they're not gonna do it, but they are gonna record all the serial numbers of your guns, and make everybody go through the permit to procure process to sell a cat guns...what?

I see on TV1 this morning the Pol Ass Sec said that "firearm registration numbers" (he quickly corrected that to firearm serial numbers) would be collected at inspections to create a "registry" (didn't call it a database). Clearly registration is what they have in mind.

Originally Posted by zimmer

I see on TV1 this morning the Pol Ass Sec said that "firearm registration numbers" (he quickly corrected that to firearm serial numbers) would be collected at inspections to create a "registry" (didn't call it a database). Clearly registration is what they have in mind.

Will be told by me in no uncertain terms to sod off if its tried.

I see in the Police assn submission he has referenced a couple of threads off this forum around E cat stuff, " how to game getting one" there submission is quite emotive.

https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...04a485842f216e

Send about 10 emails out to different members of parliament last night, Not a lot but everything helps.

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

I see in the Police assn submission he has referenced a couple of threads off this forum around E cat stuff, " how to game getting one" there submission is quite emotive.

https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...04a485842f216e

Gaming the system? more lies from the police. that thread is what you need to do to get your license, no gaming in it at all.

After seeing that Police Ass'n turkey on TV this morning, I emailed Breakfast to say he was plain wrong to assert you can currently buy any ammo without a licence.
No reply as expected

Originally Posted by 6x47

After seeing that Police Ass'n turkey on TV this morning, I emailed Breakfast to say he was plain wrong to assert you can currently buy any ammo without a licence.
No reply as expected

Did he actually say that? ill log a complaint with IPCA if thats the case.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Did he actually say that? ill log a complaint with IPCA if thats the case.

How will that work when he's speaking as the union president, not as a police officer?

If indeed, he said, what someone else said, he said.

Read and weep!!!


They didn't tell us about this. Read Australasian.
COMMUNIQUÉ
Law, Crime and Community Safety Council, 27-28 April 2016
The first meeting of the Law, Crime and Community Safety Council for 2016 was held over 27 28 April 2016 in Queenstown, New Zealand. Ministers from New Zealand, the Commonwealth and each state and territory with portfolio responsibility for law and justice, police and emergency management were in attendance, as was a representative of the Australian Local Government Association. The meeting was chaired by the Hon Nikki Kaye MP, New Zealand Minister of Civil Defence the (Emergency Management Session), the Hon Judith Collins MP, New Zealand Minister (Law Enforcement session), the Hon Amy Adams MP, New Zealand Minister of Justice (Family Violence and Community Safety session) and the Commonwealth Minister for Justice and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter-Terrorism, the Hon Michael Keenan MP (Law Reform).
On 28 April 2016, the Hon Rene Hidding MP, Minister for Police and Emergency Management for Tasmania, asked Ministers to pause for a minute of silence to commemorate the passage of 20 years since the events of the Port Arthur tragedy – to reflect upon the ongoing suffering of those mourning the loss of the 35 people who died and the ongoing distress of many who survived appalling physical and mental trauma. Ministers noted that the tragedy shaped the Australian community’s notions of trauma, loss and suffering and how these events resulted in an extended community recovery program which became the benchmark for similar international events in following years. Ministers reflected on the decisive actions of all Australian jurisdictions in developing and achieving consensus on the historic National Firearms Agreement, which is the envy of many countries around the world and agreed to again restate all jurisdictions’ commitment to maintaining a national consensus on firearms as embodied in the National Firearms Agreement.
[Session 2: Law enforcement
National Firearms Agreement and other firearms measures
Ministers noted a number of measures to deal with illegal firearms and the ongoing work of senior officials to update the National Firearms Agreement.
I suggest you download your own copy of the National firearms agreement to see what you government ministers and police policy makers have bought into. Note it is the Australasian police ministers council. Not the Australian police ministers council.
Below is the National Firearms Agreement Mentioned Above. Smoke and Mirrors. Possibly looking to start implementing here in NZ. AUSTRALASIAN POLICE MINISTERS’ COUNCIL
SPECIAL FIREARMS MEETING
CANBERRA
10 MAY 1996
RESOLUTIONS

1. Bans on Specific Types of Firearms
RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that all jurisdictions ban the sale, resale, transfer, ownership, possession, manufacture and
use of those firearms banned or proposed to be banned from import other than in the
exceptional circumstances listed in paragraph 1.2 of the Commonwealth proposal (see
below).
para 1.2 The only need for the use of an automatic or semi-automatic longarm would be:
military;•
police or other government purposes; and•
• occupational categories of shooters who have been licensed for a specified
purpose (eg extermination of feral animals).
(b) that all jurisdictions ban competitive shooting involving those firearms banned or proposed
to be banned from import.
Council agreed to implement its resolution via the following action plan:
1. All jurisdictions to ban the sale, resale, transfer, ownership, possession, manufacture and
use of those firearms banned or to be banned from import other than in the following
exceptional circumstances:
military use;•
police or other• government purposes; and
occupational categories of shooters who have been• licensed for a specified
purpose (eg extermination of feral animals).
2. All jurisdictions to ban competitive shooting involving those firearms banned or proposed
to be banned from import.
3. The Commonwealth to ban the importation of all semi-automatic self-loading and pump
action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence
Category D, and control the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.
2. Effective Nationwide Registration of All Firearms
RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that New South Wales, Queensland and Tasmania immediately establish an integrated
licence and firearms registration system and that all other jurisdictions review their existing
registration systems to ensure that all systems are compatible.
(b) that these databases be linked through the National Exchange of Police Information (NEPI)
to ensure effective nationwide regist