Thread: Tikka 3 lite 270

Oh sorry, I didn't realize that a poll had been taken. I would have thought the variation would have been greater than 50/50 in some form of breaking in.
The man has not been too good at taking advice so far and so deserves a bit of stick.
Hopefully when he takes it back he tells the salesman of any shortcomings so that the salesman can give an 'honest' opinion to the next buyer.

Originally Posted by Spook

Oh sorry, I didn't realize that a poll had been taken. I would have thought the variation would have been greater than 50/50 in some form of breaking in.
The man has not been too good at taking advice so far and so deserves a bit of stick.
Hopefully when he takes it back he tells the salesman of any shortcomings so that the salesman can give an 'honest' opinion to the next buyer.

Even without breaking in the Tikka, it comes with a MOA guarantee anyway, so should fire right out of the box under MOA. And like I said before it is the recoil that pissed me off the most not the groupings, and breaking the rifle in will do sweet fuck all for that.
I did say it was crazy of me to buy the 270, but we all get sucked into buying something that isn't quite right at some time or other.

Originally Posted by Jackangus

Even without breaking in the Tikka, it comes with a MOA guarantee anyway, so should fire right out of the box under MOA. And like I said before it is the recoil that pissed me off the most not the groupings, and breaking the rifle in will do sweet fuck all for that.
I did say it was crazy of me to buy the 270, but we all get sucked into buying something that isn't quite right at some time or other.

The MOA guarantee will be for the rifle, not the shooter...jam it in a vice and it will probably meet guarantee specifications.
Park the rifle up until your shoulder has healed as you wont be doing yourself any favours shooting with bruising.

Good luck getting it sorted man. I think you have a good case under the consumer guarantees act of the item sold not being fit for purpose.

A 308 will likely be the best choice givin the availability of factory stuff. 6.5x55 or 260 are as LR cpabale and boot less but have crappy factory ammo selection so are more an option if you intend to reload

That being said even the humble 308 will boot a bit and over a long session cause shooter fatigue. Its just the reality of the lighweight factory tikka stocks.
Even throwing a cheapy boyds laminates thumbhole will make a big difference to the felt recoil over a factory stock.

If it really is for LR only then throwing a bit more cash at it and getting a long varmint/target contour barreled factory rig might be worthwhile. Savage tikka and howa all offer them at pretty reasonable prices.
The extra weight and heavier barrel will all work to keep felt recoil down

Lee, MOA guarantees mean just about nothing... It is a sales gimmick...

With almost any manufacturing process, there are variances. Every single rifle chamber is slightly different. If you add to that mix some factory ammo that has not been tuned for that particular chamber, and a shooter who may or may not be using optimal technique, expecting the rifle to be accurate to the mythical sub MOA level is not exactly realistic.

I could give someone a finely tuned target rifle and some custom hand loads that I know are perfect for that rifle, and if the shooter is having a bad day, they could still struggle to hit a 3 inch disc at 100yds...

On the flip side I can take an old clunker that most folks will tell you is a piece of shit, and fairly easily turn it into a decent rifle just by spending a bit of time on the crown and working up a good hand load for it.

Originally Posted by ebf

Lee, MOA guarantees mean just about nothing... It is a sales gimmick...

With almost any manufacturing process, there are variances. Every single rifle chamber is slightly different. If you add to that mix some factory ammo that has not been tuned for that particular chamber, and a shooter who may or may not be using optimal technique, expecting the rifle to be accurate to the mythical sub MOA level is not exactly realistic.

I could give someone a finely tuned target rifle and some custom hand loads that I know are perfect for that rifle, and if the shooter is having a bad day, they could still struggle to hit a 3 inch disc at 100yds...

On the flip side I can take an old clunker that most folks will tell you is a piece of shit, and fairly easily turn it into a decent rifle just by spending a bit of time on the crown and working up a good hand load for it.

Generally though, Tikkas are accurate rifles. I don't agree it's a gimmick, there must be some substance to the Tikka, and Sako, 3 and 5 shot Guarantee or people could return them for failing to live up to that part of the guarantee.
I am not saying for a second there isn't bad ones that come out the box, but in general they seem to live up to what they say.

Originally Posted by Jackangus

Generally though, Tikkas are accurate rifles. I don't agree it's a gimmick, there must be some substance to the Tikka, and Sako, 3 and 5 shot Guarantee or people could return them for failing to live up to that part of the guarantee.
I am not saying for a second there isn't bad ones that come out the box, but in general they seem to live up to what they say.

Your flinching and your ammo may not suited. Dont blame the rifle

He isn't blaming the rifle everyone else is.

Originally Posted by ebf

Lee, MOA guarantees mean just about nothing... It is a sales gimmick...

With almost any manufacturing process, there are variances. Every single rifle chamber is slightly different. If you add to that mix some factory ammo that has not been tuned for that particular chamber, and a shooter who may or may not be using optimal technique, expecting the rifle to be accurate to the mythical sub MOA level is not exactly realistic.

I could give someone a finely tuned target rifle and some custom hand loads that I know are perfect for that rifle, and if the shooter is having a bad day, they could still struggle to hit a 3 inch disc at 100yds...

On the flip side I can take an old clunker that most folks will tell you is a piece of shit, and fairly easily turn it into a decent rifle just by spending a bit of time on the crown and working up a good hand load for it.

This is the best advise I have read so far.

While the rifle(s) today are generally MOA capable while a lot of shooters (myself included on a bad day)

As others have stated If you specifically asked for a rifle suitable for "Target Shooting to 100om" then you might have some comeback on the salesman. If you mentioned hunting them maybe not as 270 is a good hunting round.
Now I would suspect if you claim that the rifle is not MOA the store will test fire it with 3-4 brands of ammo and results most likely will be MOA or less. You might even get billed for the ammo if it performs as stated as I understand this is becoming common practice more and more

The felt recoil from tikka t3s have been an ongoing complaint the recoil pad if you can call it that is just a thin bit of rubber over a thick chunk of plastic all you need to do to tame it is add a limbsaver pad as others have suggested and put a suppressor on it, my remington 700 in 270 has a bit of a kick to it but I can shoot that rifle for long periods and not get a hiding like you have described from it and my 16 year old boy who has the build of a broomstick can handle firing it.

I must be reading the first post wrong.

Originally Posted by Gibo

I must be reading the first post wrong.

I must be too especially when he said it wasted his shoulder

Originally Posted by hunter308

I must be too especially when he said it wasted his shoulder

Obviously I am not blaming the rifle for bruising my shoulder, that will be my technique. I'm sure most people who are not used to that caliber rifle were to sit there and fire 20 odd shots in 30 mins would probably complain of a bit of pain afterwards.

I've used a .270 successfully to shoot gongs out too 600 yards and deer to 400 yards. If I read it right you purchased a a .270 for target shooting, I'm not sure any people use .270 for targeting shooting; for hunting they are great.
The sales man was right the .270 is better suited for long range shooting than the .308 but many people have shot at 1000 yards with a .308, modern dial up optics mean that range is not so much of a issue now - but you need to know what you are doing...

The latest two issues of NZ Hunter had two articles on the .270, you might find that interesting.

I've got two Tikkas now and had one in .270wsm, they all shot three shot groups under an inch, sometimes better. The .270wsm and .308 have Limbsavers.

Did you ask for a target rifle for 1000y shooting specifically? or was there mention of hunting?

Because a 3 second google will show you the difference between a dedicated range/target rifle and a hunting rifle.

If you specifically asked for a target rifle for 1000y take it back and demand a full refund, however if there was mention of hunting then the salesman probably quite rightly recommended a good hunting rifle capable of shooting targets at 1000y(and pretty much any calibre is capable of that even if the calibre could be bettered )