Thread: Wairoa gun club update

Is it a clay bird club only

Originally Posted by wazza56

Is it a clay bird club only

Claybird, rifle to 200m and pistol

Originally Posted by Tankd

For those who think a "half arsed " so called trained R.O is somehow going to save your arse better think real Hard . Something is not better than nothing , the reason being if "something" happens the Police will be the least of your worries because whether you like it or not you are classed as a PCBU .
And Worksafe will be chewing your arse while examining your navel from the inside . I have been a fully qualified R.O for 30 years and involved with multiple different types of ranges for 10 years more . I also have a bit to do with Health and Safety in a challenging area and believe you me the paper work and all round bollocks is not enjoyable especially if something goes wrong . And investigations , no matter how minor are really not fun . And as the Heath & Safety man once said " I may not know how to do your job , but I will still tell you how you went wrong ".

The Health & Safety at Work Act 2015 is pretty clear on this - a volunteer association is not a PCBU.

Originally Posted by Tankd

For those who think a "half arsed " so called trained R.O is somehow going to save your arse better think real Hard . Something is not better than nothing , the reason being if "something" happens the Police will be the least of your worries because whether you like it or not you are classed as a PCBU .
And Worksafe will be chewing your arse while examining your navel from the inside . I have been a fully qualified R.O for 30 years and involved with multiple different types of ranges for 10 years more . I also have a bit to do with Health and Safety in a challenging area and believe you me the paper work and all round bollocks is not enjoyable especially if something goes wrong . And investigations , no matter how minor are really not fun . And as the Heath & Safety man once said " I may not know how to do your job , but I will still tell you how you went wrong ".

Originally Posted by Gillie

The Health & Safety at Work Act 2015 is pretty clear on this - a volunteer association is not a PCBU.

@Gillie is correct, but if you are the duty officer on a range and someone is seriously hurt (or worse killed) you may still have to explain what happened and why the rules weren't obeyed or followed.

Worst case scenario is appearing before a coroner and having to explain why Joe/Jane died when you were duty officer.

That's why I am a stickler for making sure the rules are clear, enforceable, and obeyed.

Originally Posted by Gillie

The Health & Safety at Work Act 2015 is pretty clear on this - a volunteer association is not a PCBU.

Unfortunately you are a PCBU , you take money from people to provide a service i,e to attend and participate in a competition . You also give "payment" by giving a "volunteer " free entry to other "competitions" , that is deemed as a gain and a payment . "Competitions " are held on a Commercial operation i.e a Farm and it does not matter whether money changes hands either, that means the Farmer can cop it too. And finally "volunteer workers" can still be prosecuted by Worksafe for "failing" in their duties .

Sorry @Tankd we'll have to agree to disagree on a couple of things here.

Again Section 17(1) and 17(2) of the Act is clear that volunteer organisations are not a PCBU. This is also clearly represented on the WorkSAFE website.
The further explanation provided by the WorkSAFE website clearly states volunteers can have their expenses paid by a volunteer organisation.

I absolutely agree with you that farms are considered a workplace under the HSWA and hence there are definitely responsibilities held by the farmer.
I also agree with you that "volunteer workers" can be prosecuted by WorkSAFE for failing in their duties but this is only the case where that "volunteer worker" works for a PCBU - which volunteer organisations are not.

In my specific case, GPRE is treated as a PCBU and we have clear processes in place laying out clear responsibilities for landowners, match directors, officers on duty, range officers, competitors, and spectators. But almost all the clubs are volunteer associations and therefore do not fall under HSWA.

Originally Posted by Gillie

Sorry @Tankd we'll have to agree to disagree on a couple of things here.

Again Section 17(1) and 17(2) of the Act is clear that volunteer organisations are not a PCBU. This is also clearly represented on the WorkSAFE website.
The further explanation provided by the WorkSAFE website clearly states volunteers can have their expenses paid by a volunteer organisation.

I absolutely agree with you that farms are considered a workplace under the HSWA and hence there are definitely responsibilities held by the farmer.
I also agree with you that "volunteer workers" can be prosecuted by WorkSAFE for failing in their duties but this is only the case where that "volunteer worker" works for a PCBU - which volunteer organisations are not.

In my specific case, GPRE is treated as a PCBU and we have clear processes in place laying out clear responsibilities for landowners, match directors, officers on duty, range officers, competitors, and spectators. But almost all the clubs are volunteer associations and therefore do not fall under HSWA.

You admit you are a PCBU ,therefore how can you claim a "Volunteer Organization" status somehow exonerates "Volunteers" when Worksafe says clearly that they can prosecute them .
Worker


A worker is an individual who carries out work in any capacity for a PCBU. A worker may be an employee, a contractor or sub-contractor, an employee of a contractor or sub-contractor, an employee of a labour hire company, an outworker (including a homeworker), an apprentice or a trainee, a person gaining work experience or on a work trial, or a volunteer worker. Workers can be at any level (eg managers are workers too).

I hear what you are both saying so let's clear somethings up, when we say we are putting as many through as we can if your not suitable or don't understand then you don't get signed off. 30 years experience as a R/O that's awesome but instead of being Mr negative or cynical why not offer some better wisdom or knowledge, everyone has to start somewhere. Let's keep the thread on track were trying to promote a positive here as we have all been kicked in the guts with all the new rules and regulations and are all a little over it, thanks for the input and positive feedback team