Thread: The price of meat these days is a joke.

boer goat...any goat is like lamb to me....bugger all fat and bugger all taste...in a good way.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

boer goat...any goat is like lamb to me....bugger all fat and bugger all taste...in a good way.

Just leave the stinky old bucks for pet food

Originally Posted by Black Rabbit

$5.80 a kilo is your costs, or a price you were happy to let those meats go?

My costs of raising beef are of little concern to the works, or the supermarkets!!!

$5.80/kg was what the beef processing plant paid me. 'On the hook' means carcass hanging on the weigh scale hook with no guts inside, no head and no hide. So almost all bones are included in the weight.

Very roughly, a live beef animal that weighs 500kg will weigh about 250kgs 'on the hook', and if you removed every bone from every cut, the meat left would be about 125kgs.

To get a 500kg beef animal (too small to really be viable at the works, steers need to be 650-700kgs) you need to keep a mum (600kg cow) alive on your property eating 16-25 kgs of dry matter each and every day of the year, then its calf on the farm for 1.5 years eating 5-20 kgs of dry matter a day, dose it with minerals 3-4 times, a worm or two, hope it doesn't die, then sell it and get $1600ish. If it was a dry year, it may have eaten silage to the tune of $600 (lost revenue).

Then try paying a mortgage, avoid like the plague hiring anyone to assist you as generally they are more hassle than they are worth, pay exorbitant costs of having fert applied, mending your own tractor etc etc etc, Regional council rates, district council rates and on it goes.

Meat based protein continues to be rorted by the pack houses and the conglomerate supermarkets.

pitt island sheep and arapawa island sheep are the same saxton merinos of old... dropped onto wee offshore islands incase of shipwrecked sailors in need of a feed.....they taste great,smaller body but sweeter meat.

Originally Posted by XR500

My costs of raising beef are of little concern to the works, or the supermarkets!!!

$5.80/kg was what the beef processing plant paid me. 'On the hook' means carcass hanging on the weigh scale hook with no guts inside, no head and no hide. So almost all bones are included in the weight.

Very roughly, a live beef animal that weighs 500kg will weigh about 250kgs 'on the hook', and if you removed every bone from every cut, the meat left would be about 125kgs.

To get a 500kg beef animal (too small to really be viable at the works, steers need to be 650-700kgs) you need to keep a mum (600kg cow) alive on your property eating 16-25 kgs of dry matter each and every day of the year, then its calf on the farm for 1.5 years eating 5-20 kgs of dry matter a day, dose it with minerals 3-4 times, a worm or two, hope it doesn't die, then sell it and get $1600ish. If it was a dry year, it may have eaten silage to the tune of $600 (lost revenue).

Then try paying a mortgage, avoid like the plague hiring anyone to assist you as generally they are more hassle than they are worth, pay exorbitant costs of having fert applied, mending your own tractor etc etc etc, Regional council rates, district council rates and on it goes.

Meat based protein continues to be rorted by the pack houses and the conglomerate supermarkets.

Only a new business model may could overcome current price surge, and giving the real benefits to farmers and those whom paying at the point of sales with pains wherever in NZ or overseas market where NZ meat were exported to. Personal, I do `t see any NZ beef here in the capital city of China, only Aussie `s, frozen one, low quality and the cost is up to $22.00 per kilo on promotion.
I heard there is company was trying to do direct sell to consumers in Auckland in the first year of C19 pandemic, but maybe it will ended up like the kiwi international airlines story. "Bring a knife to a gun fight" in meat market of NZ, hope you could know what meant. But still there are chances to streamline sales lifecycle from farm to table, cut out unnecessary middle men by means of new business models, financial instruments, better budgets planing etc. I almost see every articles with the word of sustainability, but seldom to see how to sustain with sound approaches.
Anyway, if I have to stay in NI, Auckland because of job and INZ, not my dreaming place of Canterbury, I think I can digest one of your cow occasionally if there is any, put my efforts in to work on carcass, pay you sir the initial price, price to cover your costs and reasonable profits, then for the extra earning from sales, there will be another %% after logistics and tax.

Originally Posted by XR500

My costs of raising beef are of little concern to the works, or the supermarkets!!!

$5.80/kg was what the beef processing plant paid me. 'On the hook' means carcass hanging on the weigh scale hook with no guts inside, no head and no hide. So almost all bones are included in the weight.

Very roughly, a live beef animal that weighs 500kg will weigh about 250kgs 'on the hook', and if you removed every bone from every cut, the meat left would be about 125kgs.

To get a 500kg beef animal (too small to really be viable at the works, steers need to be 650-700kgs) you need to keep a mum (600kg cow) alive on your property eating 16-25 kgs of dry matter each and every day of the year, then its calf on the farm for 1.5 years eating 5-20 kgs of dry matter a day, dose it with minerals 3-4 times, a worm or two, hope it doesn't die, then sell it and get $1600ish. If it was a dry year, it may have eaten silage to the tune of $600 (lost revenue).

Then try paying a mortgage, avoid like the plague hiring anyone to assist you as generally they are more hassle than they are worth, pay exorbitant costs of having fert applied, mending your own tractor etc etc etc, Regional council rates, district council rates and on it goes.

Meat based protein continues to be rorted by the pack houses and the conglomerate supermarkets.

I think that's what we paid a local farmer for a baren dairy cow about 7 years ago. It's next to impossible to find anyone willing to bend the rules nowadays.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

boer goat...any goat is like lamb to me....bugger all fat and bugger all taste...in a good way.

Ha... You will need another cook for your plates. Goat has stronger flavor, I like it but for some people they enjoy whatever goat or lumb with no flavor at all. I cooked wild goats several times, it was very nice but the key is how to cook them otherwise it will have those gamey smell or strong flavor even me can `t enjoy it.

yip you can buy an animal but are supposed to own it for 30 days before being able to kill it...supposedly to stop you buying stock ,taking home on trailer and killing it on the way...which is eggzachary what a freezing works does.
now I do wonder if you can do a safari park hunt..pay to hunt and take home the killed animal...no different to a management hunt on any of the stations or game farms,but hunt a sheep/cow/goat??? I mean whats the difference between paying Gary Rooney for an arapawa sheep in stew point and the neighbour for a merino or crossbred???? nothing.

Originally Posted by Black Rabbit

Ha... You will need another cook for your plates. Goat has stronger flavor, I like it but for some people they enjoy whatever goat or lumb with no flavor at all. I cooked wild goats several times, it was very nice but the key is how to cook them otherwise it will have those gamey smell or strong flavor even me can `t enjoy it.

BILLY GOAT who has been rooting,has strong flavour......nanny or young non sexually active goat does not..... pretty much same with all species when it comes to it.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Haven't tried moose (this coming October hopefully) or Pitt sheep. Eaten quite a few Arapawa sheep.
But if you want to try a meat you will be back for more of, try whale. Cooked how you would cook a nice steak. Best meat I've eaten.

Moose tastes like mild venison with somewhat texture of beef. A higher percentage of a Moose gets minced as opposed to a Deer I would say.

If you have ever eaten Wapiti you are pretty close to Moose.

Originally Posted by XR500

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Meat based protein continues to be rorted by the pack houses and the conglomerate supermarkets.

Yes -

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

yip you can buy an animal but are supposed to own it for 30 days before being able to kill it...supposedly to stop you buying stock ,taking home on trailer and killing it on the way...which is eggzachary what a freezing works does.
now I do wonder if you can do a safari park hunt..pay to hunt and take home the killed animal...no different to a management hunt on any of the stations or game farms,but hunt a sheep/cow/goat??? I mean whats the difference between paying Gary Rooney for an arapawa sheep in stew point and the neighbour for a merino or crossbred???? nothing.

The idea is not about hunting but a possible business model that can both satisfy the idea of this buzz word of "sustainability" and actually can bring some benefits to people `s table, some extra meats. Yeah, I can do safari park hunt, the two thumb range is my favorite.

you missed point......
you are allowed to buy an oppertunity to shoot an animal,shoot it and take home to eat...but not allowed to buy an animal shoot it and take it home

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

you missed point......
you are allowed to buy an oppertunity to shoot an animal,shoot it and take home to eat...but not allowed to buy an animal shoot it and take it home

right... Thanks for the tips. Anyway, what I said before was just a thought but it was a feasible idea. Ya...I can `t do this right now anyway....so any tips about rabbits hunting opportunities in Canterbury?

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

yip you can buy an animal but are supposed to own it for 30 days before being able to kill it...supposedly to stop you buying stock ,taking home on trailer and killing it on the way...which is eggzachary what a freezing works does.
now lI do wonder if you can do a safari park hunt..pay to hunt and take home the killed animal...no different to a management hunt on any of the stations or game farms,but hunt a sheep/cow/goat??? I mean whats the difference between paying Gary Rooney for an arapawa sheep in stew point and the neighbour for a merino or crossbred???? nothing.

I'd be keen on doing a hunt like that every year or so, especially with a tractor to lift/load the carcass