Sounds like you guys are doing it the hard way, I just grab some good brew kits and chuck them into the fermenter and usually after 4/5 days it`s bottled. I have three dozen on the go and just getting into a draught now that's 12 months old, no finings, it settle's with time. P38, don`t mention the anal bit, gives Kimjon the dry heaves, and don`t let any plant growth hormones fall into the brew, Cheers. Homebrew.357.
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