Thread: Quality "everlasting" .410 shells

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Originally Posted by GDMP

Have you tried reloading any of the Russian Barnaul steel .410 cases?.

Nah I respect all my firearms too much to shoot steel in any of them.

Originally Posted by Wingman

Nah I respect all my firearms too much to shoot steel in any of them.

Barnaul don't produce or sell steel shot, some reasons given on this page.

They make .410 and 12G reloadable metal cases which look like brass on the images, but could be washed steel. I doubt they'd promise so many reloads in a steel case though.

So, what's next, Suppressor and sub loads, a la "No Country For Old Men" ?

Wow - very, very neat and informative! Thank you for posting the pics and info. Always cool to learn something.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

So, what's next, Suppressor and sub loads, a la "No Country For Old Men" ?

Nah "been there done that".. on to another 6x45 project

Originally Posted by GDMP

The Barnaul cartridges contain lead shot or lead slugs....its the cases themselves that are made from soft steel.I should think they would be reloadable and are a ready made case without having to actually make them....

Yes I knew that and my comment stands. I dont shoot steel cases in any of my firearms. Brass only.
Same goes for steel shot..

i now consider you the .410 shotgun GOD! any plans to market?

Originally Posted by nowool

i now consider you the .410 shotgun GOD! any plans to market?

Thank you my pagan friend..
No plans to market anything? I listed all parts used and where to get them if anyone else wants to use brass in their .410g bores. The brass can be fire formed from 9.3x74R and .444 Marlin, no dies are really needed.
The rim thickness is not an issue on the brass but some .410 chambers have a radius on the front side of the rim rather than square so the brass need to a radius to lock the action properly. This can be done in a lathe, drill press or even a cordless drill with a file and some fine sand paper.

It doesnt need much, just basically enough to take the sharp top edge off.. pic is of an un-modded 9.3x74R case on the left, the middle one has had a radius filed and factory hull on right. The important part is that the action locks up fully.

my old winchester single had deep rim recess and short firing pin....SOME fiocchi loads had primer recessed and it wouldnt fire them.... the bakail has no such issues. my insert doesnt either as mean as machinist turned it up perfectly.

Originally Posted by Wingman

Nah I respect all my firearms too much to shoot steel in any of them.

That is some fudd stuff. If it's steel proof or modern it can handle steel shotl and cases.

Steel case is so cheaply loaded for factory ammo that you will actually save money in the long run by shooting steel case. More than enough for a new barrel.

Unless your dies can't handle it there's really no reason not to use them.

Spent some time developing loads today as some more components turned up from USA.
I fine tuned the load of H110 for a 1100fps with 3/4oz of #5 shot.






Also worked up a 11/16oz load with my new max wads.
Amazed how 0.1gr of H110 can make such a big difference in velocity in this little shot shell.
I started low as there is no data out there for these wads in brass cases. 1.5gr above book max for Super X hulls got me on the right track much like I did for the 3/4oz load then I slowly walked it up to 1200fps by incroments of 0.1gr at a time (1200fps is the same as Super X factory 11/16oz 3" loads in my gun)











Very punchy little load! I will pattern them both once I find a bit of cardboard big enough.

Loaded up 12 to fill my belt pouch for evening walks.
The neighbor has a heap of pigeons on his stock feed pad at the moment too so I will go test them out in the next few days.

@Wingman, how are you getting along with the skyrats at you neighbours place?