Thread: 24 June 2023

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

A lot of places now take your licence details when you hand it over to buy ammo now. I'm not sure if its legislated now or just plain arse covering!!!

Originally Posted by 2post

I have no issue complying, it’s what normal law abiding citizens do.
My comments are my musings about how to stop criminals getting guns, If the register stops one person getting hold of a gun then it’s worth it. I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.
I see it more as a political decision.

A register can never stop one person from getting hold (illegally) of ANYTHING, never mind that it might be a gun. What will stop them is adequate security that is only known to you and the vetting officer who approved that safe-keeping arrangement.
However, that small piece of information can, conceivably, become a shopping location/list.

[QUOTE]I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.[QUOTE]
The Canadian "authorities" who had their collective heads placed firmly up their arses spent something like C$2billion and achieved didly-squat, whereupon the resister was abandoned. Oh yea, that was money really well spent. NOT!
And now we have the NZ police union stirrer crying foul that ACT will throw a piece wishful thinking out: something that has been shown,time and again, to achieve NOTHING, apart from becoming a "sink-hole" for tax-payers money.

[QUOTE]I see it more as a political decision.[QUOTE]
Absolutely correct. And come election time, some of those politicians will, most definately, be replaced.

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

Don't know, but according to the wording, it's not till 2025.

Originally Posted by Friwi

I wonder how the system would cope if there were two rifles with the same serial number and caliber . Like 2 Lee enfields or two “Mauser”

Very common, both firearm types used a single letter prefix followed by up to 4 numbers - this was repeated when they got to Z9999 starting back at A0001 or A1 depending on armoury. In the peak of production, the cycle was repeated several times in a year...

Originally Posted by Growlybear

Don't know, but according to the wording, it's not till 2025.

Can we presume that by 2025 each ammunition purchase will be registered against your name?

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

41Initial obligation to provide information for registry if activating circumstance occurs
(1)
This regulation applies if a person is a licence holder under the Act immediately before subclause (3) or (4) applies, and, on or after that date, the person—
(a)
applies for a licence or an endorsement under the Act; or
(b)
has a change to the information relating to the circumstances specified in Part 1 or 2 of Schedule 1B that is relevant to the person; or
(c)
has responsibility in relation to any event specified in Part 4 of Schedule 1B; or
(d)
is subject to compliance or enforcement action by the Police under the Act, including inspections of storage security and arms items, warnings, improvement notices, temporary suspensions of licences, and criminal charges under the Act; or
(e)
purchases ammunition after 24 June 2025.

Originally Posted by GDMP

30 Days.....

QWhere did you see that bit please?

OH I found it
(3)
In the case of an individual firearms licence holder, the obligation in subclause (2) applies to an activating circumstance that occurs on or after 24 June 2023 and the licence holder must provide the relevant information specified in subclause (2)—
(a)
within the time frame specified in Part 5 of Schedule 1B (if applicable); or
(b)
in any other case, within 30 days after the date of the activating circumstance.

I won't be doing it before I have to.

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

Can we presume that by 2025 each ammunition purchase will be registered against your name?

Yes, such that they can then say "why are you buying .44mag ammo? You don't own a .44mag rifle....."

Originally Posted by schwen

Yes, such that they can then say "why are you buying .44mag ammo? You don't own a .44mag rifle....."

As per their website ammunition is not going to be required to be registered.

Currently retailers have an obligation to record details for ammunition sales. Similar to what they have to do for firearms.

Now it all makes sense to me why the shops told me they are all low in ammo.

There is a reason why there is a magnetic strip on the back of the new licences , one way or another it will relates your licence with the ammo you buy.

Originally Posted by Friwi

There is a reason why there is a magnetic strip on the back of the new licences , one way or another it will relates your licence with the ammo you buy.

Just future proofing I think. Using that strip now would mean that they've got their act together and we all know that won't be happening.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Hmmmm! It concerns me greatly that there are only two options for providing the information (use the website or phone). I have an absolute personal aversion to using the website and I feel that providing the information via telephone exposes us to the operator on the other end of the line mis hearing, mis inputting or plain old suffering from dyslexia and fucking up the detail. I have no issue with providing the information in printed form to the arms officer at the local Police Station but I feel this to be unnecessary as I provided a list eight months ago and nothing has changed so all I ought to need to do is say “refer to the information you should already have on file.

and what makes you think that no firearms license holders don't have dyslexia? I know I have the misfortune of transposing letters and numbers so with all the firearms owners entering data whos to say any of the database will be correct?