Thread: 24 June 2023

Just hope we won't see the "firearm registry leaked!" headline news someday. This privacy leak would potentially give the law biding owners' location to the crims.

Whoever came up with this registry idea should bear that responsibility if it happened.

I won't comply until forced to, I had planed on importing a rifle this year but will hold off now. I handed in my AR in the last few days of the buy back, so will do the same here.

I have zero faith that the information in this register will be safe and certainly won't be in the first batch of guinea pigs to test it out.
Not to mention the level of contempt shown by the Police and politicians for the past 3 years doesn't exactly give me enthusiasm for doing as I'm told.

Hopefully we see a change of Government and I won't need to register them at all.

Originally Posted by hakka_ranger

Just hope we won't see the "firearm registry leaked!" headline news someday. This privacy leak would potentially give the law biding owners' location to the crims.

Whoever came up with this registry idea should bear that responsibility if it happened.

The main issue with this risk is once the leak has occurred and the addresses are out in the wild, it doesn't matter if the affected owner moves as the next occupants of the house are at risk and completely unaware of why. The address is potentially permanently marked as a 'firearms source' once a breach occurs. I think this has been found overseas with various types of registries - a registry is a 'snapshot in time' list and yesterday is not a predictor of tomorrow and once a breach happens the outdated list remains outdated but 'out in the wild'.

Also, it won't help prevent crime, it won't solve crime - it's literally only a control tool. Arguably the level of offending vs level of lawful safe ownership as a purely cost/benefit based analysis would show that the cost and risk don't provide a level of benefit that is being claimed - but in all honesty the level of administration provided over the last decade obviously does leave a lot to be desired. The records of importation permits being claimed to have been lost, the leak of hard data from Auckland, the loss of data after the 'buy back' plus many other issues that have arisen with licences misprinted or sent to the wrong address, permit errors, lost applications etc etc show that it doesn't really matter what is implemented in terms of registration as it won't be accurate or reliable enough unless it is funded and resourced correctly with appropriately trained staff with the right background and experience to identify and correct errors as they are found. Hiring staff with no firearms knowledge will not allow this to happen at all...

Originally Posted by hakka_ranger

Just hope we won't see the "firearm registry leaked!" headline news someday. This privacy leak would potentially give the law biding owners' location to the crims.

Whoever came up with this registry idea should bear that responsibility if it happened.

The company doing the registry for the cops ticks all the right boxes as far as website security goes.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

The company doing the registry for the cops ticks all the right boxes as far as website security goes.

Devil's advocate, a lot of companies 'tick all the right boxes' and still have people that make mistakes.

Originally Posted by No.3

Devil's advocate, a lot of companies 'tick all the right boxes' and still have people that make mistakes.

True - but these are things like independent assessments and certifications which give them significant credibility. Just to be clear, this is right up my alley in what I do for work. And from what I read I would give them a thumbs up.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

True - but these are things like independent assessments and certifications which give them significant credibility. Just to be clear, this is right up my alley in what I do for work. And from what I read I would give them a thumbs up.

Well, that's relief then. I can stop worrying now.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

True - but these are things like independent assessments and certifications which give them significant credibility. Just to be clear, this is right up my alley in what I do for work. And from what I read I would give them a thumbs up.

US military was the same. Again, devil's advocate and the certs are the same as the registry - a snapshot in time and what happened yesterday doesn't predict tomorrow unfortunately. WOF for cars is another example...

Originally Posted by schwen

Yes, such that they can then say "why are you buying .44mag ammo? You don't own a .44mag rifle....."

who are THEY???? in theory the police COULD..but a retailer shouldnt have that information..so it would be only able to happen if police do a double check after sale is completed.

Sorry if I'm repeating anyone's question here, but what the hell is an "Arms item"????

Is a Beretta hat one of these? A reloading die? Where is the line I wonder. I couldn't find a definition on their strangely developed website (that looks copy/pasted from some other unfortunate country)

Basically any part that is required for the operation of the firearm, ie barrel, trigger, bolt, magazine, barrel, stock (inc grips). Also includes suppressors and muzzle brakes I think. Anything that requires a mail order permit.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

who are THEY???? in theory the police COULD..but a retailer shouldnt have that information..so it would be only able to happen if police do a double check after sale is completed.

what if it becomes part of the info on your licence?like a cat,b cat, whatever

Originally Posted by No.3

US military was the same. Again, devil's advocate and the certs are the same as the registry - a snapshot in time and what happened yesterday doesn't predict tomorrow unfortunately. WOF for cars is another example...

Not really, a lot of the certifications such as the ISOs look at the way you do things and how you do things. And they go through annual reviews and renewals.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I won't comply until forced to, I had planed on importing a rifle this year but will hold off now. I handed in my AR in the last few days of the buy back, so will do the same here.

I have zero faith that the information in this register will be safe and certainly won't be in the first batch of guinea pigs to test it out.
Not to mention the level of contempt shown by the Police and politicians for the past 3 years doesn't exactly give me enthusiasm for doing as I'm told.

Hopefully we see a change of Government and I won't need to register them at all.

Can understand how you feel and you are not alone on this one...but hey I'm pretty certain we've already sold our souls to the devil lol.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Not really, a lot of the certifications such as the ISOs look at the way you do things and how you do things. And they go through annual reviews and renewals.

Done ISO a few times in the past, wow is all I can say. The accreditation process for some companies is akin to watching a blockbuster movie, and they keep it up for about as long once a year. It's a bit of a waffle and does in no way make your product or service fit for purpose. The company culture and leadership (with a helping of shareholder and financial performance) is the main thing that dictates the performance on the road.