Thread: Aftermarket R93 and R8 Barrels – Major Safety Concerns

Maybe New Zealand should introduce proofing for any firearm re barrel. A qualification for gun smiths might be a good idea as well, with a practical and theory registration exam.

Maybe we should register boats, licence boat drivers, introduce noise pollution levels, ban lead from hunting projectiles, ban lead for shotguns, pay girls to get pregnant, give compensation to criminals hurt during their occupational activities, pay for drunken yobs misadventures when the injure themselves, reduce the speed limit to 10mph....

anybody else want a turn?

We've done most of those already...

Yeah I know, but they are all such great ideas

Originally Posted by Sidney

Maybe we should register boats, licence boat drivers, introduce noise pollution levels, ban lead from hunting projectiles, ban lead for shotguns, pay girls to get pregnant, give compensation to criminals hurt during their occupational activities, pay for drunken yobs misadventures when the injure themselves, reduce the speed limit to 10mph....

anybody else want a turn?

True, but most of those things you listed don't have 60k+ PSI 100mm from your head.

I have not issues in requiring a gunsmith to be qualified to do the job.
After all you need to do a course and pass a test to drive, most jobs require a qual, you have to pass a test etc to possess a firearm but you can make and modify with nothing ?!?

Technically a dealers license is required for manufacture and an action has to be sent to the police with blueprints etc for inspection and approval to manufacture along with other requirements

That is required with actions, not barrels.

Gunsmiths scrap commercial actions every day in this country because of expansion... I assume those actions were all checked and proofed.

Stagers have no incentive apart from safety in this issue?

Where are the people who have been injured as a result of all these shonky gunsmiths?

The whole... we have a problem, we must regulate attitude sucks...

People who acquired these barrels are not inexperienced, people who design and develop wildcat cartridges can identify expansion issues and catastrophic failure without warning signs are unlikely.

This is a niche area, a niche issue and we get... we must regulate....

In this country over the last few years, we have had a significant development in knowledge and understanding of cartridge and rifles particularly in the long range area that may never have occurred had everyone been qualified, and every design proofed before experimentation could occur.

Thats the last thing we need....

Have you seen the differences between a Blazer and say a Rem?

I wouldn't own a remington

Originally Posted by Sidney

That is required with actions, not barrels.

Gunsmiths scrap commercial actions every day in this country because of expansion... I assume those actions were all checked and proofed.

Stagers have no incentive apart from safety in this issue?

Where are the people who have been injured as a result of all these shonky gunsmiths?

The whole... we have a problem, we must regulate attitude sucks...

People who acquired these barrels are not inexperienced, people who design and develop wildcat cartridges can identify expansion issues and catastrophic failure without warning signs are unlikely.

This is a niche area, a niche issue and we get... we must regulate....

In this country over the last few years, we have had a significant development in knowledge and understanding of cartridge and rifles particularly in the long range area that may never have occurred had everyone been qualified, and every design proofed before experimentation could occur.

Thats the last thing we need....

99% of so called gunsmiths in the world come from either the military as qualified armourers (of differing standards) or a fitter turner/engineering background.
When I completed my apprenticeship as an armourer I was offered a pretty gunsmiths cetificate from the UK.........for a fee. I am a qualified armourer, not a gunsmith. However I could set up shop without batting an eyelid or facing any regulation because in NZ I a deemed qualified as a smith.

Apart from skilled woodwork, fine engraving and in depth small arms theory, there is not much else to gunsmithing that a fitter-turner is not qualified to do, imo.
Military armourers sometimes get a bad wrap from lesser qualified people yet the 2 police armourers are ex military and they are trusted and expected to give evidence that can convict criminals.

If regulation was required for small arms repair in NZ who is qualified to oversee/govern it and would it really do anymore to prevent damage or injury?

In my current job they almost regulate the colour of your urine

Originally Posted by Sidney

I wouldn't own a remington

I would maybe utilize an action.

Originally Posted by Spanners

Have you seen the differences between a Blazer and say a Rem?

Blazer is a casual men's jacket ?

And autocorrect is a bitch

Originally Posted by Sidney

I wouldn't own a remington

I would own a Remington 700 over a blaser any day.
I have seen the state of a Remington action in 7-08 after shooting a full load of pistol powder. The action was blocked , the extractor and ejector disappeared and the bolt nose was flattened but it held!!! The gunsmisth had to mill a slot over the side of the receiver to be able to remove the barrel.

I'd own a Blaser over a Rem any day. I own both. The Rem is a cunt of a thing to get to anywhere near what the Blaser is off the shelf.

Oh and the Blaser action will hold anything a 2 lug Rem700 ever will.