Thread: Always Identify your target beyond all doubt

Originally Posted by steven

@Rushy, yes. New neighbour is from SA, they left after her father was shot dead with multiple AK47s/gun wounds in a home invasion (sounds more like a war grade assault), the rest of them just happened to be out at the time so survived.


regards

Jeese Steven, i spent 8 years in california, and even i havent got a story to compare with that....tragic

Here's an example of what the police and public have to contend with on a daily basis. This was part of a documentary on the police's Special Task Force filmed about 99/2000.

Originally Posted by Scouser

Jeese Steven, i spent 8 years in california, and even i havent got a story to compare with that....tragic

I got one.

Back in the late 80's and 90's, my dad was a maintenance plumber in an Army base in Northern Ireland during the troubles. His work buddy answered a knock at the door late one Sunday night only to find 8 heavily armed masked men kicking it down. He rushed inside too late to grab his loaded shotgun. They grabbed him and his wife. Tied her up and beat him about. They forced him to drive his work van loaded with explosives into the base gate, while they followed with his wife to make sure he did it. The man managed to crash the van into the bombproof tank traps they put outside the gates, kick the window out and jump into the sanger before it went up. His wife was found later safe but beaten up.

So we had a loaded pump behind the front door, my double barrel in my room, my dad had loaded pistol at all times and he wore a kelvar vest on his way to work. I had to go to school everymorning after checking for undercar booby traps. My dad taught me reloading drills, how to handle a pistol and we went to the range anytime it was possible.

My dad's uncle worked for the same firm. He and his mates were blown up on the way home one evening from the base, when the terrorists detonated a bomb under the road. 14 in the van. 6 survived. He never worked a day afterwards. He couldn't hear or see properly and could only walk with a stick. He was only a carpenter!

When you see all the tacticool geeks on youtube customising their weapons for looks - it's all macho, Movie BS. When you have to use it you want it simple, reliable and effective.

Originally Posted by scottrods

When you have to use it you want it simple, reliable and effective.

So the message there is nothing fancy, just simple tried and true functionality.

These stories are good reminders that here in NZ, we do have it pretty good. Few of us have truly experienced that constant, and real need to be ever on the alert for the genuine risk 'out there'. SA, Ireland, US, PNG - not NZ quite yet, despite Mr Mega's aspirations.

Mistaken identity (we assume) the cause behind this latest incident fuels the fires of hysteria surrounding owning weapons.

As responsible hunters and shooters, we have to ensure we always show the measured restraint and wisdom owning our firearms requires.

It will be the criminal, and the un-balanced who will continue to inflate the fear in non-gun owners of the 'risk' our weapons pose. We MUST ensure we always remind these people that it is man that kills man - weapons on their own tend to sit pretty quietly in the gun cupboard I've noticed.

It's the individual - not the weapon we must focus on. It's that individual who will pull the trigger. It's us who must do our best to ensure only the responsible can ever pull that trigger.

Originally Posted by Rushy

So the message there is nothing fancy, just simple tried and true functionality.

Yep Rushy, 100%, having lived amongst it and carried and trained with a pistol, simple functionality and reliability always wins, you would be surprised how many revolvers are carried, purely for reliability and simplicity, pull the trigger and it goes bang!

You see all this american tactical gear that maybe a swat team would use but is completely impractical for day to day carry or for home defence.

Looks like he did identify his target, with the facts coming out its looking less and less accidental.

Yes, the police had apparently been to his house repeatedly for reports of domestic violence.

Blade Gunner !

Well Oscar's been sent down. A little way.

The criminal justice system (the irony in the title...) in South Africa is working as effectively as ever. Money talks, bullshit walks. Oscar perhaps the most well-documented case of a person of high profile, in the sports arena - getting off relatively lightly.

The case of Bees Le Roux in my opinion, is of a similar standing.

The below is an interview with a guy by the name of Marc Batchelor who was a midfielder for the South African football, "soccer" team in the mid 90s. The Mikey Schultz that he refers to as his "best mate" is a self-confessed killer. In 2005 he took part in an "assisted suicide" when he shot mining magnate Brett Kebble to death.



My personal opinion?

I've experienced crime in South Africa. For this sort of crime which sadly speaking, in the greater scheme of things, is simply another of the 18000 or so reported murders recorded annually. I have friends and family who live in similar gated communities, from a security perspective it's a great place to live. These estates are perimeter walled topped with electric razor wire or pallisade. 1 or 2 boom-controlled entry / exit points manned by armed guards (9mm P / 12ga / LM 5), residents' access controlled by biometric identification, visitors' boots checked upon exit.

I felt quite safe inside.

For someone to jump out of bed without first notifying the person next to him what he's doing and then go and blaze away at a bathroom door? He was scared? Fuck off, that's just ridiculous - in my mind it was either he got angry and went too far. Some might suggest premeditated but ... you'd have to pretty stupid to pre-meditate killing someone in such obvious circumstances.

Yup he wins and that good looking chick lost.

Yes my lady. Sob sob puke. Wanker!

One wonders just how much he paid the judge? In reality, only a small proportion of murders even get investigated in that country. Out of 18,000 murders per year. That's 50 murders a day! My brother in law was one of the victims.