Thread: Another Aramoana???

Originally Posted by systolic

Four cops shot in Kawerau a few months ago.

How about the guy that killed the two women in the Ashburton Work and Income office?

Ashburton Work and Income shooter Russell John Tully sentenced to life with 27 years non-parole | Stuff.co.nz

Or that guy Mowatt who fired 29 shots to kill his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend in Papakura a couple of years ago? Licenced firearms owner.

The Bedroom Murders: 29 shots, 3 people dead. Why? - National - NZ Herald News

Four shot and one killed in Napier in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Napier_shootings

Six killed with a shotgun in Raurimu in 1997.

crime.co.nz

Five shot dead in the Bain family murders in 1994.

Six more killed by that bloke Schlaepfer near Pukekohe in 1992. Farmer with his shotgun and a knife.

Stanley Graham in 1941 on the west coast. Shot and killed seven others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanle...of_the_rampage

That's just off the top of my head. There were more people maimed by guns in the same incidents.

how many had current licenses.

Originally Posted by systolic

Four cops shot in Kawerau a few months ago.

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.

How about the guy that killed the two women in the Ashburton Work and Income office?

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.

Or that guy Mowatt who fired 29 shots to kill his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend in Papakura a couple of years ago? Licenced firearms owner

A double murder, while tragic, is not a mass killing by any definition. Neither is a single suicide. Combining the two to be a mass murder is disingenuous.

Four shot and one killed in Napier in 2009.

Illegally possessed firearms.

Six killed with a shotgun in Raurimu in 1997.

A mass shooting by mentally ill person. Stephens own FAL was revoked, he stole his fathers shotgun and used that.

Five shot dead in the Bain family murders in 1994.

A mass shooting by an unknown person. Firearms not stored in a safe.

Something that happened in 1941 to bolster your argument is pretty feeble tbh.

Do you spot the theme though ? Illegally possessed firearms. People choosing to break the law. And Police own admission of a falling rate of resolution for crimes against property, dropping down to almost 10%. That means 90% of burglary IS NOT SOLVED.

If you're worried about ISIS followers going all Allah on us, spot something funny in this article on Stuff.
Muslim Association concerned with Auckland man's ISIS support claims | Stuff.co.nz
In the photo, he's posing with an airsoft AK.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


A double murder, while tragic, is not a mass killing by any definition. Neither is a single suicide. Combining the two to be a mass murder is disingenuous.


Illegally possessed firearms.


A mass shooting by mentally ill person. Stephens own FAL was revoked, he stole his fathers shotgun and used that.


A mass shooting by an unknown person. Firearms not stored in a safe.

Something that happened in 1941 to bolster your argument is pretty feeble tbh.

Do you spot the theme though ? Illegally possessed firearms. People choosing to break the law. And Police own admission of a falling rate of resolution for crimes against property, dropping down to almost 10%. That means 90% of burglary IS NOT SOLVED.

If you're worried about ISIS followers going all Allah on us, spot something funny in this article on Stuff.
Muslim Association concerned with Auckland man's ISIS support claims | Stuff.co.nz
In the photo, he's posing with an airsoft AK.

Here in the United States; Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Killer. Got his guns by killing his mother and then breaking into the safe that his mother kept them secured in.

Gunmaker Kalashnikov opens souvneir store at Moscow airport | Stuff.co.nz
Branch rumored for AI airport.....

Originally Posted by Kscott

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


A double murder, while tragic, is not a mass killing by any definition. Neither is a single suicide. Combining the two to be a mass murder is disingenuous.


Illegally possessed firearms.


A mass shooting by mentally ill person. Stephens own FAL was revoked, he stole his fathers shotgun and used that.


A mass shooting by an unknown person. Firearms not stored in a safe.

Something that happened in 1941 to bolster your argument is pretty feeble tbh.

Do you spot the theme though ? Illegally possessed firearms. People choosing to break the law. And Police own admission of a falling rate of resolution for crimes against property, dropping down to almost 10%. That means 90% of burglary IS NOT SOLVED.

If you're worried about ISIS followers going all Allah on us, spot something funny in this article on Stuff.
Muslim Association concerned with Auckland man's ISIS support claims | Stuff.co.nz
In the photo, he's posing with an airsoft AK.

I said New Zealand had a long history of multiple shootings. Any more than one is multiple.

Although I'm not sure the family and friends of Trevor Waite and Glenys Stanton would be comforted that their loved ones were killed in a 'double' murder, not a 'mass' murder by a licenced firearm owner.

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people. Like most have forgotten the victims in Paerata when Schlaepfer killed his family.

How long is a piece of string? I think since firearms were invented, most countries have had a "long history" of multiple shootings.

Originally Posted by systolic

I said New Zealand had a long history of multiple shootings. Any more than one is multiple.

Although I'm not sure the family and friends of Trevor Waite and Glenys Stanton would be comforted that their loved ones were killed in a 'double' murder, not a 'mass' murder by a licenced firearm owner.

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people. Like most have forgotten the victims in Paerata when Schlaepfer killed his family.

No it isnt, the legislation and society have both changed in 70 years.

Originally Posted by systolic

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941.

I guess it is relevant to the panic-stricken fearmongering claims of certain individuals that gun crime is an accelerating modern phenomenon.

Originally Posted by systolic

I said New Zealand had a long history of multiple shootings. Any more than one is multiple.

Although I'm not sure the family and friends of Trevor Waite and Glenys Stanton would be comforted that their loved ones were killed in a 'double' murder, not a 'mass' murder by a licenced firearm owner.

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people. Like most have forgotten the victims in Paerata when Schlaepfer killed his family.

Then unfortunately no amount of common sense presented to you will dis-sway you from your position. Each to their own.

Originally Posted by Maca49

If it's your gun they will be able to pin the blame on you, and because it's registered with the police you will be more careful in keeping the details of the person you sold it to and you will be less likely to sell it it to a gang, as has been the case many times over, or an unregistered person. Yep it will stop any illegal guns getting into the wrong hands, he's a bloody genius, in shifting blame!

"My guns were stolen" - Meaning I sold them to a gang.
Registration doesn't help there.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


A double murder, while tragic, is not a mass killing by any definition. Neither is a single suicide. Combining the two to be a mass murder is disingenuous.


Illegally possessed firearms.


A mass shooting by mentally ill person. Stephens own FAL was revoked, he stole his fathers shotgun and used that.


A mass shooting by an unknown person. Firearms not stored in a safe.

Something that happened in 1941 to bolster your argument is pretty feeble tbh.

Do you spot the theme though ? Illegally possessed firearms. People choosing to break the law. And Police own admission of a falling rate of resolution for crimes against property, dropping down to almost 10%. That means 90% of burglary IS NOT SOLVED.

If you're worried about ISIS followers going all Allah on us, spot something funny in this article on Stuff.
Muslim Association concerned with Auckland man's ISIS support claims | Stuff.co.nz
In the photo, he's posing with an airsoft AK.

What does the airsoft AK have to do with anything? You just pointing out that they said he has pics of him posing with a gun when it's not really a firearm?
Pretty standard from the media.

Also, that's a HORRIBLE airsoft gun, he clearly doesn't actually engage in the sport of airsoft.

Originally Posted by systolic

I said New Zealand had a long history of multiple shootings. Any more than one is multiple.

Although I'm not sure the family and friends of Trevor Waite and Glenys Stanton would be comforted that their loved ones were killed in a 'double' murder, not a 'mass' murder by a licenced firearm owner.

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people. Like most have forgotten the victims in Paerata when Schlaepfer killed his family.

That's like saying the cannabis use from 1941 is still relevant to today.
Shit was well different.

Originally Posted by Jexla

What does the airsoft AK have to do with anything? You just pointing out that they said he has pics of him posing with a gun when it's not really a firearm?
Pretty standard from the media.

Also, that's a HORRIBLE airsoft gun, he clearly doesn't actually engage in the sport of airsoft.

It points out that our gun laws must be pretty ok at the moment, when someone who wants to align themselves to ISIS can only access an airsoft plastic AK. This also puts perspective to the Police press release stating AK47's and M16's were found just laying in a warehouse.

Another "Aramoana" is inevitable, sensational headline that! even if its statistically less likely than this alternative headline Another Christchurch earthquake is inevitable.
No matter how much you plan you will not be able to prevent either.

Originally Posted by systolic

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people.

If your going to use Graham as an example of anything -he was a licensed firearm owner. He had a permit for several rifles, had been required to surrender them for the home guard but hid them instead so again someone actively breaking the law.

Yes NZ has a history of "mass murders" going back to when the first occupation. The reality is that firearms make up a very small percentage of them even in recent history.

Originally Posted by rockland

Big feature on One News tonight about the triumphant return of Olympic medalists. Clips of various sports that won medals but no mention of our shooting success in trapshooting.

Then-surprise surprise-the item about illegal firearms. To their credit David Tipple was given a chance to comment,thankfully he speaks calmly and rationally on behalf of licensed shooters.

At the risk of ruining a good conspiracy theory, she was on tonight's news as she only came home today, one of the last to do so.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

If your going to use Graham as an example of anything -he was a licensed firearm owner. He had a permit for several rifles, had been required to surrender them for the home guard but hid them instead so again someone actively breaking the law.

Yes NZ has a history of "mass murders" going back to when the first occupation. The reality is that firearms make up a very small percentage of them even in recent history.

Graham wasn't a licenced firearms owner. There was no firearms licence available in 1941 and for many decades later. You just had to prove that you were over 16 years old and obtain a permit to procure from the police, then you took it back to the police station so the sergeant at the desk could record the registration number incorrectly in the record book.

Not even sure if there were any background checks done later to see if the new firearm owner had a criminal record. There probably was although I knew of some pretty shady characters who had no trouble buying, registering and keeping a rifle in the late 60's.