Thread: Another Aramoana???

In stuff and the nz herald, both are running articles about worsening crime stats - the main cause? burglary increases. Has the plod smartened up to realize the damage burglary is doing yet? And that this is how criminals are obtaining their firearms? after all, with only a 1 in 10 chance of getting caught (a disgusting 9% resolution rate), why wouldnt you?

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

In stuff and the nz herald, both are running articles about worsening crime stats - the main cause? burglary increases. Has the plod smartened up to realize the damage burglary is doing yet? And that this is how criminals are obtaining their firearms? after all, with only a 1 in 10 chance of getting caught (a disgusting 9% resolution rate), why wouldnt you?

Also reported in the news recently is that burglary has now been classified as a priority crime. All instances of burglary are to be attended by police.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

In stuff and the nz herald, both are running articles about worsening crime stats - the main cause? burglary increases. Has the plod smartened up to realize the damage burglary is doing yet? And that this is how criminals are obtaining their firearms? after all, with only a 1 in 10 chance of getting caught (a disgusting 9% resolution rate), why wouldnt you?

and when caught its a case of "naughty boy, dont do it again".

There are articles about rising crime rates Official crime stats reveal burglaries and crime rising | Stuff.co.nz
Personally I dont think you can read too much into it after incidents like the Manakau Police reclassifying burglaries as incidents etc to make their stats look better, they got caught, whos to say other districts havent been doing the same and have just decided not to do it anymore.....

Originally Posted by Ryan

Also reported in the news recently is that burglary has now been classified as a priority crime. All instances of burglary are to be attended by police.

Ill believe it when i see it.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

In stuff and the nz herald, both are running articles about worsening crime stats - the main cause? burglary increases. Has the plod smartened up to realize the damage burglary is doing yet? And that this is how criminals are obtaining their firearms? after all, with only a 1 in 10 chance of getting caught (a disgusting 9% resolution rate), why wouldnt you?

I don't like the word resolution, as that implies that they were investigated.
I imagine the 9% would be where they were caught red handed or a witness was forward about providing extremely identifiable information, or there was significant video evidence that made an arrest extremely easy.

Originally Posted by Tussock

I wish people would stop mentioning Stan Graham. NZ was a very new colony in 1941 and the West Coast was still the frontier. Arguably it got law in the 80s. Stan Graham tried to give himself him repeatedly and every time he walked into the open he was fired and then won the ensuing gun battle. It was war time and at one point they considered bombing the forest. He was facing people who held their manhood cheap for not being overseas.

I had a very interesting chat with a detective in 2000 after witnessing an unusual crime. He stayed and yarned for ages. Eveyone loves to hang out in student flats instead of the office. The uniformed officer probably told him how hot my flatmates were.

He stated burglery was an escalating crime. Every time a criminal enters someone elses property successfully they gain confidence. He told me it it was extremely important to follow them up early, as they initially only enter empty dwellings, then progress to occupied dwellings then can become violent.

I think this makes a lot of sense.

So if police are only solving 10% of property related crime which is believable as this detective was the last person I ever heard of following it up, then I think the whole gun whinge is a red herring.

Having cops guns is one thing. Having cops who want them to have more guns and citizens not to have guns is a power grab. Disturbing.

you dead bloody wrong about Stan Graham tussock-bloody pity you didnt look up accurate information.graham shot 3cpopsnd a school inspectorcops then went bush,when he came back to the house he committed his second ltof homicides on the home guardsman,afet he fucking opened fire first.it was here that a homeguardsamn who made it into grahmas house saw him outlined against a corner and inflicted the massive wound to his right shoulder. He calined when ambushed and shot (by const J D'arcy quirke) to be coming into surrenderdue to a grossly septic shoulder wounde ,but in fact all the b loody firearms he carried were loaded. one of my informants a hoki police constable at the time told me straight "stan wouldnt surrender ..his pride wouldnt let him!

There is still bad blood in the valley over Stan and so, a lot of misinformation.
I have always been interested in the incident as it is my back yard,
My wife and many friends were in the movie and she is related to Stan. I was also in a team with Quirke's son while in the Army.

Family's that were effected all tell slightly different stories.
I drive past his old house site nearly everyday when home.
A picture of him and club members of the time still reside in my clay target club. It was a sad state of affairs no matter how you look at it.

IMO he dug his own grave and I am sure if licenced firearms owners acted the way he did prior to Best getting shot, today. They would/should lose their licence well before anything like that can escalate.



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Originally Posted by kotuku

you dead bloody wrong about Stan Graham tussock-bloody pity you didnt look up accurate information.graham shot 3cpopsnd a school inspectorcops then went bush,when he came back to the house he committed his second ltof homicides on the home guardsman,afet he fucking opened fire first.it was here that a homeguardsamn who made it into grahmas house saw him outlined against a corner and inflicted the massive wound to his right shoulder. He calined when ambushed and shot (by const J D'arcy quirke) to be coming into surrenderdue to a grossly septic shoulder wounde ,but in fact all the b loody firearms he carried were loaded. one of my informants a hoki police constable at the time told me straight "stan wouldnt surrender ..his pride wouldnt let him!

sorry for the fucking atrocious spelling folks-comes at typing in semi dark.BTW R93-was aware of the mixed feelings over the doco,and movie bad blood being made. every time i take a trip over there and drive past the hall and the paddock i feel cold shivers.

Some of his bullet holes are still in the hall.

Married the cook in the church next door.


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Here's an article on One News Now I thought you might be interested in.

NZ in danger of another mass shooting following spate of attacks on police, says firearms expert
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...irearms-expert


Mac

Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA

Here's an article on One News Now I thought you might be interested in.

NZ in danger of another mass shooting following spate of attacks on police, says firearms expert
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...irearms-expert


Mac

If Gillespie was such an expert as proclaimed he would think thru his statements a bit better, sounds like a certain Mr Alpers in a different dress. If a firearm is registered does it stop it being used in a mass shooting?

Goddamn I love it that there is no politics on this Forum.

Originally Posted by jakewire

Goddamn I love it that there is no politics on this Forum.

Unfortunately politics and are sport are intertwined even though we don't want them to be.
Talking about what our sport faces and having a medium in which to do so is important.

What a load of dribble from O'connor , he has one yr or less in his current job , & given the TV time he gets , he is more important than the Police Commissionar & Minister ?
He has been pushing his own agenda for quite some time , and he will use anything to try and get his way before hes Out , he is getting desperate .
At least half , maybe more actual poilce donot want to be armed fulltime , they realise that , maybe they are not quite up to the task/responsibilty , also that is not needed at the moment .
In every cop car there are guns , and when did you last see a cop walking a beat ?

I donot like the current trend of PC/social engineering / propaganda & down right lies massaqrading for facts & truth , we have enough real problems , and we need real solutions , not this in-correct bandaid crap .

RE : Crims usng guns in the commision of a crime ,

1) Gun laws & registration , will have NO impact on crims , they donot abide by any laws , writting more , DOES nothing , in real terms , we all know this , then why do the powers to be , seem to have NO common sense whats so ever ?

2 ) If you want to stop people using guns in a crime , simple , Laws , ie banning , will do nothing , BUT a penilty will effect them , once the Judge does his job , If you said , now anyone using a gun in a crime , will have life inprisonment ( actual ) , then almost over night , you will have almost zero crimes , involving guns .Why , because as stupid as crims are , they would recognonise that , the penilty is extremely harsh , and over night , would use anything else , ie machettes , axes , bats , clubs , knives etc , you get the story .

Also , anyone , tell me , why the Journo woman did not get prosecuted ? , she actually broke 3 laws , and they had the proof , so I ask again WHY was she let off ? , if it had been you or I , do you think the out come would be the same ?

Things happen for a reason , the way he goes on, you would think he has shares in Glock , and shares in a Alpers type firm for the registery ?

With the why current vetting is done in NZ at the moment , I think its very well thought out , the Only thing more oppressive govts in Europe do , is getting a Shrinks report , however , given the current way its done in NZ , ie a family member & non-family member , and actual face to face interviews , its very good , the Shrink would just make it more expensive for no real actual gain .

Me , I not worried about guns in NZ , as I think , its a rather well balanced approach at the moment , Me I more worried about Box cutters/stanely knives & petrol .

Later Chris