Thread: Another shooting in New Lynn yesterday

Originally Posted by XR500

Errr @gonetropo you haven't been playing with balloons recently have you??

i'm more into rockets myself, built a pulse jet years ago. fark !!! you think a machine gun is loud!!

Ah, but a foreman with no knowledge of welding may not understand the particular issues related to his workers needs and abilities.

On the other hand, Nash (Minister of Forestry) has a masters degree in forestry management, which is a great example of why the principle doesn't always hold....

Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

Ah, but a foreman with no knowledge of welding may not understand the particular issues related to his workers needs and abilities.

On the other hand, Nash (Minister of Forestry) has a masters degree in forestry management, which is a great example of why the principle doesn't always hold....

I'm not suggesting that the foreman should have no welding experience, just that the best welder should stick to that role unless he/she demonstrates management potential.
You are right on the button about Nash, though! He's depriving a village somewhere of a resident idiot!

Originally Posted by MarkN

"Fact is, we got gangsters starting to rob people in broad daylight at gas stations."

Yes and not just gangsters, kids as well. In Birkenhead, there are at least 4 Vape shops. Every few days, one of them gets new plywood windows and then 2 days later, another one... I'm wondering if there will be a week without a ram raid, not so far...

I don't disagree that journos don't know what happened, but what they can publish, is subject to discretion.

I will disagree with you about the labour govt. not because I like labour, but in my opinion politicians of any flavour, running the country, are the wrong people to do so.

Why should the winners of a popularity contest run the country?

We should be able to vote for: i.e. the best accountants to run finance, the best judges to run justice, the best large organisation head, to be PM etc - Best doctors to run health, you get the idea....

Best rugby coaches to run Rugby NZ, etc, etc...

Yes...but then you need savvy and intelligent people who are capable of making a wise vote and choice. Something sadly lacking at present.

What you're all referring to is 'The Peter Principle'.

Basically, everyone rises to their level of incompetence through hierarchies. I see it everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

It's a pretty good book, written in an almost satirical manner, highly recommend.

Originally Posted by MarkN

True but surely the bloke that "ends up as the foreman, where their skills don't necessarily translate." will be up against the other best formen and the best of those, will be the guy in charge of formen. The best welder will still be in charge of the welders etc...

As an old man I can tell you it doesn't work like that - the one with the biggest mouth gets the job because he knows how to blow smoke right up your arse.
It applies to politicians, car salesmen, Priests, influencer's and most everything else. No one goes far unless they know how to spin shit - it's the way it's always been.

The bloke who know his shit gets stuck in a position where knowing 'your shit' matters' - he's what makes the world go round, the others are just 'noise'.

Originally Posted by Savage1

What you're all referring to is 'The Peter Principle'.

Basically, everyone rises to their level of incompetence through hierarchies. I see it everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

It's a pretty good book, written in an almost satirical manner, highly recommend.

How true. Once you recognize the trees in the forest...they're everywhere!

Originally Posted by SF90

As an old man I can tell you it doesn't work like that - the one with the biggest mouth gets the job because he knows how to blow smoke right up your arse.
It applies to politicians, car salesmen, Priests, influencer's and most everything else. No one goes far unless they know how to spin shit - it's the way it's always been.

The bloke who know his shit gets stuck in a position where knowing 'your shit' matters' - he's what makes the world go round, the others are just 'noise'.

Amen.

If you are irreplaceable, then you are also unpromotable.

My old boss once told me "you get promoted to your own level of ineptitude". He was ok on the machines but nothing special, as it turns out he was incredible as a foreman and then factory manager. Having that knowledge of the job was a great background but his people/managerial skills (not trained/qualified) are what took him further than me.

Yep , that's why I've always liked the saying " an empty vessel makes the most noise".

Originally Posted by SF90

As an old man I can tell you it doesn't work like that - the one with the biggest mouth gets the job because he knows how to blow smoke right up your arse.
It applies to politicians, car salesmen, Priests, influencer's and most everything else. No one goes far unless they know how to spin shit - it's the way it's always been.

The bloke who know his shit gets stuck in a position where knowing 'your shit' matters' - he's what makes the world go round, the others are just 'noise'.

Roger Daltry of the Who once sang all those years ago ' Meet the new boss...same as the old boss'. Seems he knew a bit about The Peter Principle too.

Originally Posted by MarkN

"Fact is, we got gangsters starting to rob people in broad daylight at gas stations."

Yes and not just gangsters, kids as well. In Birkenhead, there are at least 4 Vape shops. Every few days, one of them gets new plywood windows and then 2 days later, another one... I'm wondering if there will be a week without a ram raid, not so far...

I don't disagree that journos don't know what happened, but what they can publish, is subject to discretion.

I will disagree with you about the labour govt. not because I like labour, but in my opinion politicians of any flavour, running the country, are the wrong people to do so.

Why should the winners of a popularity contest run the country?

We should be able to vote for: i.e. the best accountants to run finance, the best judges to run justice, the best large organisation head, to be PM etc - Best doctors to run health, you get the idea....

Best rugby coaches to run Rugby NZ, etc, etc...

When i was 12yrs-old , I said pretty-much the exact same-thing to my parents . Dad was a 'National-voter' and Mum voted 'Labour' , they both explained that I would understand it better when I 'Grew-up' . When 'that' happened, I didn't bother voting for years . It's still essentially the same ; You are 'Free' to vote : Fools 'A'........or Fools 'B' . On the subject of 'escalating-Crime' , it is World-wide , along with its meth-use and it definitely moved-up-a-gear when Australian-created Crims got exported here . As a result of that , a new-level of violence was seen everywhere and all the young and dumb gang-prospects have embraced it whole-heartedly which just pushes it even further . You can vote for as many incompetent-liars as you want , whatever 'hats' they happen to wear , and it will not change this .

What a load of rubbish…

My son started as the floor sweeper , showed work ethic got offered an apprenticeship, did his time finished that ..then a month later he’s the foreman on site why …because he has a brain , relates to people , calls it as he sees it , has maturity and doesn’t suffer fools..can deal with paperwork!

Leaving the best man on the floor sees the best man on the tools get poached for better money ..ask the best man how things can be done better you might be surprised at his ideas and thoughts!

It may even make you a few more dollars!