Thread: The anti gun lobby

Perhaps we could link up with other special interest groups, organise flash mob submitions for each other

The most powerful gun lobby in the World - the US National Rifle Association - has 5 million members in a country with about 100 million firearms users.

Nowhere do firearms owners have majority representation.

However it is determined minorities who generally shape the course of legislation. A few 'advisors' or strongly opinionated people who largely by hapenstance are in the right place at the right time.

Soe of us will be in Wellington chewing ears next week ...

Who are the people we are supposedly fighting? I've never seen any evidence of a group that wants to disarm people and are actively pursuing it. I haven't seen any people brandishing signs and approaching parliament.

Sure the Police and the pistol grip saga but at the end of the day they just want people to go through a bit more vetting and have better security to own a MSSA, which I understand. They aren't trying to disarm the population.

Just because there is the odd article written in a negative way doesn't mean anything.

Sure I know the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist, but I don't think that's the case here.

So the devil does exist?

Originally Posted by Savage1

Who are the people we are supposedly fighting? I've never seen any evidence of a group that wants to disarm people and are actively pursuing it. I haven't seen any people brandishing signs and approaching parliament.

Sure the Police and the pistol grip saga but at the end of the day they just want people to go through a bit more vetting and have better security to own a MSSA, which I understand. They aren't trying to disarm the population.

Just because there is the odd article written in a negative way doesn't mean anything.

Sure I know the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist, but I don't think that's the case here.

You really believe that? I have heard it straight from the mouth of a very senior police man, and also parroted by local police - they have a real problem with basically all semi automatics, and at the end of the day, them and their bosses really don't want modern semi automatic firearms in the country. Guess that makes them an opponent.

Originally Posted by Beavis

You really believe that? I have heard it straight from the mouth of a very senior police man, and also parroted by local police - they have a real problem with basically all semi automatics, and at the end of the day, them and their bosses really don't want modern semi automatic firearms in the country. Guess that makes them an opponent.

Yes I really do believe it, I have a lot more exposure to Police and their policies than you do and I've never once seen any thing that you could even remotely interpret as being a step to disarming people.

Originally Posted by Sidney

So the devil does exist?

Rule number one guys. Let's not get into this debate.

Originally Posted by Beavis

You really believe that? I have heard it straight from the mouth of a very senior police man, and also parroted by local police - they have a real problem with basically all semi automatics, and at the end of the day, them and their bosses really don't want modern semi automatic firearms in the country. Guess that makes them an opponent.

No offence dude, but exactly 'who' is this to bolster your argument ? Surely they can't be that big a secret, if they're talking to the public making statements like this ?

Plus local Police are just that - local. Your experiences differ from those in other parts of the country, if we use the logic that local Police don't want semi's around, then my local Police and personal Police I know say 100% the complete opposite.

Ergo, all of this become meaningless comments without verifiable facts, which have the danger of treated as fact - by those who wish for more firearms restrictions, and by those who want less.

The manager of licensing and vetting,.

Police website 3 September, 2010

Superintendent John Rivers, of the Operations Support Group, said Police were already acting on all the recommendations made by the Coroner.

"Police will shortly be recommending policy changes to the Minister concerning the Arms Act."

"Police has given careful consideration to the recommendations of the Thorpe Report. Many of them form part of current police practice, although not necessarily expressed in legislation."

"The Thorpe Report recommended the banning of all MSSAs, including those in sporting configuration which are currently classed as Category A firearms."

The case rests ...

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Police website 3 September, 2010

Superintendent John Rivers, of the Operations Support Group, said Police were already acting on all the recommendations made by the Coroner.

"Police will shortly be recommending policy changes to the Minister concerning the Arms Act."

"Police has given careful consideration to the recommendations of the Thorpe Report. Many of them form part of current police practice, although not necessarily expressed in legislation."

"The Thorpe Report recommended the banning of all MSSAs, including those in sporting configuration which are currently classed as Category A firearms."

The case rests ...

well thats comprehensive..... a strategy and agenda, an admission that they already operate outside of the law, and active political interference...

no nothing to worry about.....

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Police website 3 September, 2010

Superintendent John Rivers, of the Operations Support Group, said Police were already acting on all the recommendations made by the Coroner.

"Police will shortly be recommending policy changes to the Minister concerning the Arms Act."

"Police has given careful consideration to the recommendations of the Thorpe Report. Many of them form part of current police practice, although not necessarily expressed in legislation."

"The Thorpe Report recommended the banning of all MSSAs, including those in sporting configuration which are currently classed as Category A firearms."

The case rests ...

Well now that seems pretty conclusive.

Does any of it say that they should ban all firearms and disarm citizens? Have the Police made any moves to ban any type of firearm?

It says Police has given careful consideration to the Thorpe Report, nowhere does it say they will be enacting all the recommendations from it.

Why would have they mucked around with pistol grips if they were just going to ban them outright anyway, it doesn't make any sense.

The actions that Police have taken speak a lot louder than those quotes you have put up from four years ago, and I haven't seen any attempts to ban any firearms.

The thumbhole stock issue, the pistol grip reclassification, refusing import of firearms on totally baseless and legally shaky reasons, hand ins...

What sentence do you think the crim in Auck will get for possessing a, i take it stolen, E Cat, MSSA? Probably with no FAL.
How would it compare if a licensed, "law abiding" person with an A cat had a legit one in their possession .
Crimson get it to easy, I'll watch this with interest , probably won't get another mention in the media though.