Thread: The anti gun lobby

Originally Posted by Maca49

Fuck I love you young guy, keep fighting the good fight, and I'll join ya, but right now I need to go to sleep!

Jeez Maca you have staying power. I had been asleep for a couple of hours when you posted that. Ha ha ha ha

Isn't it our God given right?

Originally Posted by Rushy

Jeez Maca you have staying power. I had been asleep for a couple of hours when you posted that. Ha ha ha ha

The older I get the faster I go,on less sleep than when I was younger!

Hahaha - add in "from my cold, dead hand" and you have the trifecta

Originally Posted by rs200nz

Isn't it our God given right?

Originally Posted by rs200nz

Isn't it our God given right?

If its from God its a privilege! just like your FAL

Damnit, can't start embedded YouTube from a certain time point. Rather than retype what this man says, just skip to 4:19 for information on "rights".

Originally Posted by 308

Hahaha - add in "from my cold, dead hand" and you have the trifecta

lol

Yup, "rights aren't rights if someone can take em away"

privilege:

1.a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.

Last I checked a FAL was only available to those that the Police and the courts deemed to be fit and proper, would that make them a particular group? It must if not everybody in New Zealand can obtain a FAL, which I guess means that not everybody in New Zealand has a right to a FAL, which means that in NZ it's not a right to have a FAL.

The way I see it is that any pleasure we participate in that endangers other innocent parties, directly or indirectly, is always going to be a privilege.

I'm with you Rushy and Maca.

Originally Posted by Savage1

privilege:

1.a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.

Last I checked a FAL was only available to those that the Police and the courts deemed to be fit and proper, would that make them a particular group? It must if not everybody in New Zealand can obtain a FAL, which I guess means that not everybody in New Zealand has a right to a FAL, which means that in NZ it's not a right to have a FAL.

The way I see it is that any pleasure we participate in that endangers other innocent parties, directly or indirectly, is always going to be a privilege.

I'm with you Rushy and Maca.

Welcome!

So I disagree with Sidney that the word privilege is inaccurate or detrimental.

Taking Carlins example, we the people grant the government the temporary privilege of making up rules (laws) that govern our lives. If they go overboard or do something that we don't like, then we either vote them out of power, or revolt. It is a "contract" if you like, but like any contract, requires both parties to play by the rules...

I don't think there are any god given rights or that any man made "right" is permanent.

Off to go and do some manual labour, so have fun debating legal theories while some of us are doing real work

Your right and its been a privilege!

Funny guy, but I would hardly define his analysis as credible... rights conveyed in law have always been intangible, and are almost never permanent.... water rights, land ownership, tenancies, leases, firearms licences...... all legal rights until the rules get changed...

The only salient point that he made was that if we call them privileges, it just gets easier to take them away..... kind of my point...

We should all just bend over and wait for the outcome.... keep on being grateful....

Originally Posted by Sidney

Funny guy, but I would hardly define his analysis as credible... rights conveyed in law have always been intangible, and are almost never permanent.... water rights, land ownership, tenancies, leases, firearms licences...... all legal rights until the rules get changed...

The only salient point that he made was that if we call them privileges, it just gets easier to take them away..... kind of my point...

We should all just bend over and wait for the outcome.... keep on being grateful....

Whether you like it or not, a FAL isn't an inherent, irrevocable entitlement held by all citizens or all human beings from the moment of birth in NZ. Therefore it's a privilege. It is what it is.