Thread: Armed Police buying lunch

there seems to be a general state of hysteria & over-reaction to a one-off tragic terrorist event. Police still toting guns is one example - especially in rural & small town NZ. Perhaps still in Chch city itself but this many weeks on its wearing thin.
If the cops want to do something meaningful then go arrest the gang leader/s who is on public record saying they have firearms for self defence and they wont be handing back any of their stash (legal or otherwise).

Forcing cancellation of ~50% of ANZAC Day ceremonies & events is the one that really irks me.
This is exactly what the terrorist and all terrorists want - to disrupt our way of life, remove freedom of expression.
Fuck them - we should be holding 2x as many ANZAC Day events, not reducing them & hiding behind closed doors. Its cowardice in the face of the enemy (terrorism).
Our forebears went to war to protect our freedoms, show them some respect & stop wimpering like a beaten dog

forget all that, blonde, brunette or the elusive red?

Originally Posted by 40mm

forget all that, blonde, brunette or the elusive red?

She was blonde and appeared quite nice. No tactical awareness though as she bent down to study the selection of cream buns. Her thumb-snap holster was about 18" in front of me. I don't have a problem with cops carrying guns on duty but I question the need to wear it into a bakery to buy lunch when there is a perfectly good lock-box in the front of her car. Similarly, if a cop is armed when they visit me (I get a few visits for paperwork etc.) then they don't come inside. They often visit wearing empty holsters which is fine. It is just good manners.

Originally Posted by gundoc

She was blonde and appeared quite nice. No tactical awareness though as she bent down to study the selection of cream buns. Her thumb-snap holster was about 18" in front of me. I don't have a problem with cops carrying guns on duty but I question the need to wear it into a bakery to buy lunch when there is a perfectly good lock-box in the front of her car. Similarly, if a cop is armed when they visit me (I get a few visits for paperwork etc.) then they don't come inside. They often visit wearing empty holsters which is fine. It is just good manners.

To be fair (if you see what I did there) the Holy Brunettes (PBUHerz) Saint Jacinda-the-Thief and Alexa Occasional-Cortex are singlehandedly ruining the market for blonde jokes.

even before the mosque attack i saw cops with glocks on their hips at joes garage ( coffee shop) at cranford st chch

yup, The police have no time for us.
So we should have no time for them at our ranges.
I urge all range and club committee members to ban police training at public ranges.

Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself.

Originally Posted by 40mm

yup, The police have no time for us.
So we should have no time for them at our ranges.
I urge all range and club committee members to ban police training at public ranges.

Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself.

The officers don't make the law though, they are there to uphold it. Giving the police shit over this is the same attitude from the govt and press that we are all up in arms about.

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Originally Posted by aetchell

The officers don't make the law though, they are there to uphold it. Giving the police shit over this is the same attitude from the govt and press that we are all up in arms about. Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk

I would not ban police from training at any public range, but I'd insist they must be full members. Strikes a fair and reasonable balance and opens the door for them to come along to get some much needed extra training in their own time.

Originally Posted by Cordite

I would not ban police from training at any public range, but I'd insist they must be full members. Strikes a fair and reasonable balance and opens the door for them to come along to get some much needed extra training in their own time.

But with semis being banned from many ranges & you can only shoot pistols at a Pistol range....the options are shortening....

Originally Posted by aetchell

The officers don't make the law though, they are there to uphold it. Giving the police shit over this is the same attitude from the govt and press that we are all up in arms about.

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But the Police and Police Assocation did submit against the new Legislation, guess what, they were all for it and knew what was coming in advance. Note the Police info stating after the Order in Council that 5 shot semi and shotguns were not affected. Guess what was in the new Legislation? They have had their hands and fingers all over the new legislation.

Originally Posted by aetchell

The officers don't make the law though, they are there to uphold it. Giving the police shit over this is the same attitude from the govt and press that we are all up in arms about.

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I hear that, but i'm thinking of the message being sent to police hq for being rude pricks and devious bastards too.
The frontline cop is no doubt not too impressed with this bill either. But must suffer the consequences of their bosses poor decisions.
Hopefully it pushes some police to kick cahill up the arse and take that dogs job from him.

The “threat level” isn’t the only reason police need to carry firearms. Now general arming every officer may be a negative because it would be rather easy to overpower a solo female cop and take her side arm.
But I believe in general arming of the police of those members who have had more training in retention of a sidearm.

The other threat police face are gang members with firearms. It is unbelievable how many gang members are in possession of firearms in their footwells, down the side of their car doors or in their boots of the vehicle. An unarmed officer has to approach these situations and then once they know there is a threat it could be far too late..
the police are here to protect he public. While at the moment it sucks they have taken the wrong side of the firearms argument it DOES NOT make them our enemy.

I am sorry disappointed in the police leaderships and also Chris Cahills to disarm law abiding citizens but that doesn’t make the average cop on the street a bad guy who wants to take your guns. There are police also who will be losing their sport and firearms and these individual attacks or remarks against a single police officer are a little stupid. That cop you take the piss out of for being armed may be on our side of the argument and you don’t even know it. Maybe she will have to take action with a firearm against an active shooter later that night or some idiot stomping someone’s head in. Would we complain about the arming then?

The I am trying to make is that cops are individuals as well. Just because the leadership has backed the MSSA ban doesn’t mean the cop does. It would be unfair for the police that disagree with the ban have to leave their employment just to prove how disgusting they think it is.

How about we be a democracy and put the ban to a vote. Hats our real problem here. So we as a society can decide what rules and laws we want in this country.

Originally Posted by Sako851

The “threat level” isn’t the only reason police need to carry firearms. Now general arming every officer may be a negative because it would be rather easy to overpower a solo female cop and take her side arm.
But I believe in general arming of the police of those members who have had more training in retention of a sidearm.

The other threat police face are gang members with firearms. It is unbelievable how many gang members are in possession of firearms in their footwells, down the side of their car doors or in their boots of the vehicle. An unarmed officer has to approach these situations and then once they know there is a threat it could be far too late..
the police are here to protect he public. While at the moment it sucks they have taken the wrong side of the firearms argument it DOES NOT make them our enemy.

I am sorry disappointed in the police leaderships and also Chris Cahills to disarm law abiding citizens but that doesn’t make the average cop on the street a bad guy who wants to take your guns. There are police also who will be losing their sport and firearms and these individual attacks or remarks against a single police officer are a little stupid. That cop you take the piss out of for being armed may be on our side of the argument and you don’t even know it. Maybe she will have to take action with a firearm against an active shooter later that night or some idiot stomping someone’s head in. Would we complain about the arming then?

The I am trying to make is that cops are individuals as well. Just because the leadership has backed the MSSA ban doesn’t mean the cop does. It would be unfair for the police that disagree with the ban have to leave their employment just to prove how disgusting they think it is.

How about we be a democracy and put the ban to a vote. Hats our real problem here. So we as a society can decide what rules and laws we want in this country.

The front line officers, all respect to them, have a choice. If they agree to be a police officer, they have to uphold the law as they are sworn to do. If they don’t like the law/s they have to uphold, they resign/retire. Concentration camp guards back in the last big dust up had the same choices.... Not saying the choices are great..but still are choices.


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Oh and I do think the police as an organisation are going the wrong way on many things. But the cop on the street is still on the side of def ending the public from harm. We need to remember that.

I live in Australia for just over half the year so armed Police aren’t something I ever contemplate much now after 15 years , but I had a funny interaction a couple of years ago .
I was in a small remote town ( just bid enough for a McDonald’s which was brand new ) standing in the line waiting for my Cheeseburger meal .
Beside me was a couple of Detectives, a man and a woman, plain clothes apart from a a badge and a Glock on their belts .
Now I always carry a Syderco Delica knife clipped in my pocket , the law says I can as long as its work / occupation related which it is .
The woman Officer notices my knife and asks
“ is that a knife you’ve got there “
“ Yes “
“ Can I have a look at it “
“ No worries “
“ How long is the blade “
“ 3 Inches “
There is a long silence as she looks me up and down , taking in my work attire, the fact that my hands have dirt under under their nails and my 50 year old skin has seen more Sun than she will in her entire life .
Silently she hands it back without a word .
About 10 seconds goes past which is a long time in this scenario.
I think to myself “ F*#k it nothing Ventured nothing Won “

“ is that a Pistol you’ve got there “
“ Yes “
“ How long is the Barrel “
“ Ummmm I don’t actually know “
Just as I was about to speak the Male officer looked at me with a smile on his face and said “ Don’t ask if you can have a look at it “

We all laughed and understood we were just going about our day .
The Police aren’t the enemy, they are tasked with a thankless job that I’m glad I don’t have to do .