Thread: Armed Police buying lunch

Originally Posted by A330driver

Hence the reason they train......its a tool,to be proficient,one must train,.....some get it some dont...hopefully they have standards,and of course you are right,in the wrong hands,its more dangerous

They have standards, and apparently those standards are high. As in, sky-high.

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...ot-their-roof/

(yep, same link in 2 posts, sue me :-) eggs're slow to fry this morning...)

Lol....yup,there’s that side of the coin too......

These people train, how often ? Seems to me that apart from the occasional yahoo who hopefully gets weeded out at police college, the majority of the problem is that they just don't get to spend enough time at the range.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

These people train, how often ? Seems to me that apart from the occasional yahoo who hopefully gets weeded out at police college, the majority of the problem is that they just don't get to spend enough time at the range.

Ask and ye shall receive (I researched this after a Police Union outburst last year on how only they can be trusted with firearms) and I just checked - the link is still valid

https://sportingshooters.nz/wp-conte...s-training.pdf

Note the Level 2 responders' training time - top of 2nd page

Also:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...e-gun-training

Yer welcome

Nothing short of pathetic....

Originally Posted by Tussock

You can't defend yourself with a gun. You can defend yourself with a stick or a shield, but not a gun. A gun can only eliminate a threat.

Now, for 99% of what cops do, that gun is a threat to the cop. When you talk to a police officer, do they stand 5m away? No. So you stand and talk to a police officer and the gun is a threat to the police officer and to you. In defensive terms you are fighting over a gun. Not a good situation.

So you need two police officers. One to talk to you and one to stand off to the side and provide cover. Now you are talking to a police officer in the pie shop, at gun point.

Most of this I learned from a senior detective. The rest I learned doing firearms drills with Australian police officers in a civilian Jiu Jistu gym (this is all technically Jiu Jitsu). The senior detective described from experience the awkwardness of fighting someone while trying to throw your side arm to your partner. "Mostly a pain in the arse" I believe he said.

I'm happy for them to have an arsenal in the car, I just fail to see the logic of wearing one strapped to you. Every situation they are in right now involves a firearm, and they bought the firearm!

They are for threatening and only make sense if you use them the way the Americans or other violent countries do and just threaten people a lot and shoot a lot of people.

If I talk to police at gun point, that is not policing by consent. That is policing by coercion. They have fundamentally changed the nature of this country and its laws and principles.

Just watching the US cops on duke tv now, the above rings true

I went thru the range at the porirua police college in the 80s, the roof and walls were shot to bits. Range officer said it was mainly the older cops that accidentally discharged their weapons while waiting for the command to open fire

Originally Posted by Martin358

I went thru the range at the porirua police college in the 80s, the roof and walls were shot to bits. Range officer said it was mainly the older cops that accidentally discharged their weapons while waiting for the command to open fire

Yup @Martin358.....I dont think you’ll find one person here on the forum,and for that matter within the Police,Govt,and the public ,that won’t subscribe to the fact that the Police,then and now, are in their “infancy”when it comes to the use and arming of New Zealand police.

The number of articles produced here,depicting the complete lack of effort by the Govt/Police,is alarming,and if your going to go down the road of arming Police,then a plethora of things need to be in place for that to happen,its obvious they are not,and that in itself is nothing but dangerous @Tussock makes some very good points and arguments about guns,weapons etc,I get that,but I also get that a well trained ,well armed,police force has to be that,but to get there they have to have complete support.

It seems,that the “armed” NZ police is nothing short of a joke,you either have very well trained members who go through rigorous training(swat) and often,or you have a half-arsed gun toting cops who,by the info provided on this forum,are no where near the standards required to be Packing heat.The removal,stealing,confiscation of as many guns as possible in kiwi,is the easiest way to take the police out of harms way,as they are so ill-equipped to deal with most “real”situations

FFS-its only two years ago approx they bought any sort of basic (read very fucking basic primer 1)components on mental health into police training -moast of the ones ive dealt with on seeing me have gone thank fuck youre here we'llwork on your word of command."
mind you the mental health system is fucked -no two ways about it - cocksucker polis dictated to save dough put em through a tertiary institute create a generic nurse,as long as they have x academic studies done per year make em managers. pliable as fuck beholden to arseholes above em and boy do them squirm when ol dog me strolls past .my latest traing course 90%less than two yrs in mental health -one of instructors 33yrs enrolled nurse though ,under this ver bizzare modern nursing ethic she must be supervised by me!!)-yours sincerely 48yrs.
some smarmy wee aspiring manager from CPH was on course and tried to correct me
xchange -DID you not listen to what I said
this is the other end of lincoln rd
ive roamed this place for nigh on 4decades so Im fiairly confident i know what im on about and the MEDICATIONS WE USE!
one instructor whom i reamed out a few years ago later in my ear _you havent changed"
why the fuck should i i want the best deal for customers but unlike modern shortland st clones if someone decided to arc up i will set boundaries and i will enforce em
on the contra is an absolute pleasure when youve dealt with someone who arrives in a nightmare state with a bewildered family and they leave your hands united smiling and thanking you -that smile to me is the ultimate reward -Ive got em to where they want to go
some of these young spotty herberts in blue need reminding of what a wise old ex high country shepherd to me as a yearling nurse

LADDY -TIS THE OL DOG WALKS THE FOOTPATH

PUPS RUN ON THE ST

in days to come frontline cops tasked to go out and engage with irate FALs can expect no support from shinyarsed biro pusher HQ types-theyre too busy sucking up to poli arseholes.
BTW guys -best of luck but id be asking some very fucking serious questions re your whinging pom union president cause if he aint right up jacindas clacker ,then the sun dont set in the west.
Caution if youre a male set on a career in nursing be very aware bullying and ageismis fucking rife and to those who deny it -you cant lie ,you cant even lie straight in bed!

Originally Posted by A330driver

Yup @Martin358.....I dont think you’ll find one person here on the forum,and for that matter within the Police,Govt,and the public ,that won’t subscribe to the fact that the Police,then and now, are in their “infancy”when it comes to the use and arming of New Zealand police.

The number of articles produced here,depicting the complete lack of effort by the Govt/Police,is alarming,and if your going to go down the road of arming Police,then a plethora of things need to be in place for that to happen,its obvious they are not,and that in itself is nothing but dangerous @Tussock makes some very good points and arguments about guns,weapons etc,I get that,but I also get that a well trained ,well armed,police force has to be that,but to get there they have to have complete support.

It seems,that the “armed” NZ police is nothing short of a joke,you either have very well trained members who go through rigorous training(swat) and often,or you have a half-arsed gun toting cops who,by the info provided on this forum,are no where near the standards required to be Packing heat.The removal,stealing,confiscation of as many guns as possible in kiwi,is the easiest way to take the police out of harms way,as they are so ill-equipped to deal with most “real”situations

@A330driver agreed. Not saying anything can't be done, I am just aware of how hard these things are in real life. And I 110% agree, the only solution to the difficulty of real life is drill, drill, drill, train train train.

There is an Eskrimador somewhere around here and if I can find him I'm going to get way better with a stick

https://sportingshooters.nz/wp-conte...s-training.pdf

Wow. I can't believe how bad that is.

If NZ and Aussie police use the same glock holster as used by most UK police forces (uncle Mikes), there is MASSIVE difficulty in trying to snatch the pistol from it. Its hard enough doing it when youre wearing it. A very retentive bit of kit !

Originally Posted by A330driver

QuoteYou need that gun out. No use tied to your hip at close quarters.

We train for those very same scenarios ......I’m not going to get into the semantics of your opinion,your statement regarding not being able to defend yourself with a gun is a fallacy.Law enforcement ,security all types train for those situations,your statement makes a mockery of the reason to be armed.

Nothing personal,I’m in the business,I see it differently........I favour my odds

Hear,hear.