Thread: Cahill vs McKie

I would love to see Cahill get into it with Nicole…. It would shine a light directly on the hypocrisy that Cahill is…..I would very much like to see that debate….. please,bring it on!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bChPQYkdY2E

Cahill on the Platform today.

I do find it funny some of the evidence he gave for a gun register.
-Mathew Hunt being killed with a MSSA, depsite being 6 months after the gun buyback where Police assured us the criminals would all be handing their guns in.
-The Mosque Shooter being able to get and AR on an A cat licence didn't mean that the E cat had to be scrapped.
In many ways this is also an own goal as the Police pissing around with pistol grip definitions made A cat ARs more widely spread, which is how he managed to get and AR so easily.

He present his side pretty well, nice to see he didn't resort to name calling.
He presents some genuine views and concerns that need to be considered in this discussion, but it's just one side of the story among many and undoubtedly has many biases built in.

Again I'm glad this discussion is being had openly and in good faith, as we all know the Cahills opinion was just taken for granted as being correct last time, without any debate from the otherside.

I think the position that Cahill and his mates put up is best understood by utilising a practical example, so here goes.

If I kill someone with an axe, I am a bad bugger.
If I kill group of people with a chainsaw, I am a villan.
If I bomb a sports stadium or rock concert and kill the quivalent of a small town population, I am very bad.
If I put poison into a water supply and kill an entire city, I am evil.
If I shoot someone with a semi auto rifle, it's Nicole McKee's fault.

Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

If I shoot someone with a semi auto rifle, it's Nicole McKee's fault.

Media and the anti gun nutters would also have you believe it is the semi auto rifle’s fault because it is evil. Our world full of numpties that attribute human characteristics to inanimate objects. Chris Cahill is a special kind of Numpty fo making the comment you highlighted.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Media and the anti gun nutters would also have you believe it is the semi auto rifle’s fault because it is evil. Our world full of numpties that attribute human characteristics to inanimate objects. Chris Cahill is a special kind of Numpty fo making the comment you highlighted.

It's a weird one aye. Any other fatality and the person gets blamed, but with shootings alone it's the fault of the firearm. Cahill said in the Platform interview that semi autos should have been banned because of the Aramoana tragedy, but he said nothing about banning cars for the 15,000 or so road deaths since then (incidentally largely committed by registered vehicles).

I said it just after aramoana incident...look at the time frame.he could've used a golf club and done as much damage. BUT as many pointed out,the intent of changes made after that were sidestepped which hamstrung any worthwhile effect.

Quote; Cahill on the Platform today.

Well plunket doesn’t help the cause either … he firmly believes all guns should be registered and that solves the problem,obviously it doesn’t…….,plunket also said that the excuse shooters make about have the data base stolen and the whereabouts of gun owners and there guns is Bullshit “because” the numbers don’t support it……here’s a bloke who thinks we are just minority whinging gun owners who need to get a grip!!????…… fuck him,he’s part of the problem!!!

….. his main reasoning was ….. if we register cars etc,then we should register guns as well…..

Originally Posted by Rushy

Media and the anti gun nutters would also have you believe it is the semi auto rifle’s fault because it is evil. Our world full of numpties that attribute human characteristics to inanimate objects. Chris Cahill is a special kind of Numpty fo making the comment you highlighted.

That tendency is called anthropomorphism.

The safety argument around gun control and registration don't stack up either.

Cars are registered and yet cars are stolen every hour.
Cars are registered and yet about 380 people were killed on our roads in each of the last two years.

If the safety argument was to be applied to driver licensing then it would be much harder to get drivers licenses.
The penalty for driving unlicensed or outside of one's license conditions would be much more stringent.

If the safety argument was to be applied to cars then all cars would be restricted to less than 60 kmh, roll cages, race seats, harnesses & helmets would be compulsory and vehicle safety checks would be required much more frequently.

More people are killed each and every years by cars and drivers and no restrictions have or will be imposed on drivers and their vehicles.

Gun laws/regulations/restrictions are easier to apply as guns are easier to portray as evil things and gun owners are a minority in the electoral system.

And, I can own as many cars as I like, but am not legally required to register any of them unless I wish to drive them on a public road.
Take note of "drive". I can transport them from place to another without registering them.

And when your car is stolen, you aren't put under a microscope and investigated, and you don't lose your licence to drive or right to own a car.

The argument that cars are registered, there for so should guns, is an excellent example to highlight the stupidity of thinking registration will stop criminals getting access to weapons.
What is the most common weapon stolen by crims to carry out crime ? Answer = car
Are cars registered ? Answer =yes.
Does registration deter crims from using cars in carrying out crime ? NO !!
QED.

The other fact that needs to repeated loud and clear EVERY time registration is raised, is the data reluctantly extracted from police in recent times via OIA, is that 80% plus of the firearms recovered by police from gangs & crims have never been legally imported into NZ ??! The FACT that the NZPolice and govt of the day knew this but kept silent when registration law was being debated. Knowingly withholding this in is a crime!