Thread: Colfo trust & confidence survey

As Percy Jones said. Fuckall LFAO's made/make submissions on matters that may affect them. A fair percentage have no idea what's going on. But a shit load do and are too fecking lazy to get of their arse and make submissions, quite happy to bleat and moan about things when it's too late though. We need to support the likes of COLFO, SSANZ and NZDA, though I have little faith in the last one. Rant over.

Originally Posted by woods223

As Percy Jones said. Fuckall LFAO's made/make submissions on matters that may affect them. A fair percentage have no idea what's going on. But a shit load do and are too fecking lazy to get of their arse and make submissions, quite happy to bleat and moan about things when it's too late though. We need to support the likes of COLFO, SSANZ and NZDA, though I have little faith in the last one. Rant over.

Why do you not have faith in the last one…..they have seriously up’d their game under new leadership and are doing some great advocacy and promotion

Another organisation the NZCTA also sat back and did nothing for far too long, it looks to be getting a bit of a tune up at the agm, and the universal trench guys haven't been slow to point that out.

Originally Posted by omark

Why do you not have faith in the last one…..they have seriously up’d their game under new leadership and are doing some great advocacy and promotion

Yes. I would back NZDA at the national level being the most organised and influential. But it might only last as long as te current CEO remains in the role. A good succession plan will be vital.

Originally Posted by woods223

As Percy Jones said. Fuckall LFAO's made/make submissions on matters that may affect them. A fair percentage have no idea what's going on. But a shit load do and are too fecking lazy to get of their arse and make submissions, quite happy to bleat and moan about things when it's too late though. We need to support the likes of COLFO, SSANZ and NZDA, though I have little faith in the last one. Rant over.

....I'd suggest awareness may be an issue.
There are a large number of people who are completely oblivious to changes passing through the legislative process (not just firearms related) - "if I'm not doing anything against the law*, why should I bother.....?"
There are plenty of folks in the above camp.
It's all very well to point out that FAL should be aware, but where do they find this information if not plugged into a forum or some other source?

(* = Law as "I/they" understand it - remember it can change based on a whim....)

Originally Posted by omark

Why do you not have faith in the last one…..they have seriously up’d their game under new leadership and are doing some great advocacy and promotion

NZDA were notably absent regarding supporting firearms owners after Ch-Ch or taking a stand against the firearms reforms until quite late in the piece. One statement they did make was that they saw no reason for the possession of semi-auto’s for hunting. To me that put them in the same camp as fuckwits like the senior management of Hunting and Fishing and Dave Hughes from Swazi. NZDA only started making noise well after the horse had bolted. Maybe I’m just cynical but they’ve got to keep up their current efforts to earn any browny points from me. And I’m a member of the organisation.

Originally Posted by woods223

NZDA were notably absent regarding supporting firearms owners after Ch-Ch or taking a stand against the firearms reforms until quite late in the piece. One statement they did make was that they saw no reason for the possession of semi-auto’s for hunting. To me that put them in the same camp as fuckwits like the senior management of Hunting and Fishing and Dave Hughes from Swazi. NZDA only started making noise well after the horse had bolted. Maybe I’m just cynical but they’ve got to keep up their current efforts to earn any browny points from me. And I’m a member of the organisation.

You are quite correct that NZDA were absent, but they were not really affected as the majority of their members were bolt gun users. Without going into details on an open forum, there was a very good reason for their change of tac and through their CEO Gwyn they are very very supportive of LFO's now and do a very large amount of work behind the scenes in the ongoing fight against the legislation we have had imposed on us.

Originally Posted by Nickoli

....I'd suggest awareness may be an issue.
There are a large number of people who are completely oblivious to changes passing through the legislative process (not just firearms related) - "if I'm not doing anything against the law*, why should I bother.....?"
There are plenty of folks in the above camp.
It's all very well to point out that FAL should be aware, but where do they find this information if not plugged into a forum or some other source?

(* = Law as "I/they" understand it - remember it can change based on a whim....)

Exactly not all of us are on get a life book or have a tv as our friend. they have each lfaos contact details, they were pretty efficient at contacting me re the confiscation why cant they use the same method to keep us informed re new laws etc? I dont mind my tax $$ being spent on it

Originally Posted by blip

Exactly not all of us are on get a life book or have a tv as our friend. they have each lfaos contact details, they were pretty efficient at contacting me re the confiscation why cant they use the same method to keep us informed re new laws etc? I dont mind my tax $$ being spent on it

Unfortunately with a lot of legislation that gets passed into law various organisations take the view that it’s the individuals responsibility to keep up with current regulations. Police and IRD are prime examples. But you’re right, when they have your details in the system you should be notified of changes.

Thats unlikely to happen. The more folk kept uninformed the easier it is for you to break the Law , and thereby be deemed no longer Fit and Proper.

Its all part of a cynical game that we will all be the long-term losers in , no matter what colour government may be in office.

Pretty ironic how the police enforce the law but you cant walk up to one and ask what the law is. Ive had that on a couple of occasions now....

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

You are quite correct that NZDA were absent, but they were not really affected as the majority of their members were bolt gun users. Without going into details on an open forum, there was a very good reason for their change of tac and through their CEO Gwyn they are very very supportive of LFO's now and do a very large amount of work behind the scenes in the ongoing fight against the legislation we have had imposed on us.

The reason NZDA were absent about the semi auto centrefire rifles is because it didn't affect those that were doing the speaking, there were a LOT of NZDA members that it did affect as they did own them.
This is still the case in NZDA where people actively promote/advocate for what interests them and ignore or actively ignore/bypass the things that don't interest them.

The FSA have a whole department dealing with Comms and passing on info to the public. Its come up many times in FCAF meeting that they need to spread their message wider. Stop putting info in shooting magazines about registering your guns or law changes, as thats preaching to the converted, and start putting info in things like the woman weekly, air NZ magazine, car magazines etc etc. Nothing happens though.

Originally Posted by Nickoli

....I'd suggest awareness may be an issue.
There are a large number of people who are completely oblivious to changes passing through the legislative process (not just firearms related) - "if I'm not doing anything against the law*, why should I bother.....?"
There are plenty of folks in the above camp.
It's all very well to point out that FAL should be aware, but where do they find this information if not plugged into a forum or some other source?

(* = Law as "I/they" understand it - remember it can change based on a whim....)

Originally Posted by 19Badger

The reason NZDA were absent about the semi auto centrefire rifles is because it didn't affect those that were doing the speaking, there were a LOT of NZDA members that it did affect as they did own them.
This is still the case in NZDA where people actively promote/advocate for what interests them and ignore or actively ignore/bypass the things that don't interest them.

I don't think that you are giving the "today" NZDA enough credit. With any member driven organisation there will be a multitude of mixed messages coming from the branches through to the National office. Some of the messages will be on point and some of them totally subjective and bordering on crazy. You only need to attend a branch meeting to hear the quality of some of the debate to realise that at times the organisation needs to be protected from itself. The Executive and CEO ensure that this happens - making sense of the messages and sifting out the dominant themes - and advocating for members without wandering down a subjective path. I think they are doing an excellent job right across the board at the moment. But in saying that they certainly did need to improve.

Originally Posted by Sharki

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They tell me the older u get the more u can see the grey areas ...
It ain't working for me.

As you get older you see through the crap