Community safety?

[stingray]

Words are just that…smart words !

Talk is cheap , we are about to spend a billion …not millions but billion of dollars chasing our tails , chasing legally held firearms , for what benefit ?

Think of a snake eating it’s tail, that’s what we are looking at.

So at best a firearm is used in a robbery, it’s tracked back to the owner , who is taken to court , punished , banned from owning firearms ?

And the offender? Going by the latest convictions ? Make your own judgement.

Value for money ?

[HG Man]

Talk is cheap , we are about to spend a billion …not millions but billion of dollars chasing our tails , chasing legally held firearms , for what benefit ?

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

[No.3]

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.

[HG Man]

That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

[Micky Duck]

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

no 208 million over 4 years isnt even close unless it runs for a further 16 years ...its a fifth of a million so if they keep the circus going for 20 years..longer than others have..it WILL have chewed up a billion taxpayers dollars....if we round figures and say population of 6 million and guestimate that 2 in 6 are working (that would be extremely on generous side I would think) that gives 2 million taxpayers so thats near enough to $100 per taxpayer per year.

[HG Man]

no 208 million over 4 years isnt even close unless it runs for a further 16 years ...its a fifth of a million so if they keep the circus going for 20 years..longer than others have..it WILL have chewed up a billion taxpayers dollars....if we round figures and say population of 6 million and guestimate that 2 in 6 are working (that would be extremely on generous side I would think) that gives 2 million taxpayers so thats near enough to $100 per taxpayer per year.

Thats not just the cost of the register, thats the total funding for the Firearms Safety Authority.$52 m a year.

There are approx 3.85M taxpayers in NZ, so $50M/3.85M = $13.50 per taxpayer per year.

[Micky Duck]

Thats not just the cost of the register, thats the total funding for the Firearms Safety Authority.$52 m a year.

There are approx 3.85M taxpayers in NZ, so $50M/3.85M = $13.50 per taxpayer per year.

so just a drop in the bucket...no worries to pay for it so no need for user pays...perfect HGMan has shown we will never need to pay anything at all to hold firearms...perfect.

[No.3]

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

Yep, software provision (including engineering support and updating/cock up repairs). The 208mill (or 52 a year + rats and mice) is now around 1.5mill a week at the last figures I heard, so consider 780mill for 10 years an indicative before inflationary calcs are done - pretty safe to go out on a limb and say it will crack the 1billion for the 11 year initial funding period I reckon. I'll add to that, Coster reckons that we won't start to see any 'benefits' from the registry for at least 2 decades - which begs the question if we are so short of funding for the Police to tackle today's issues what's the point of chasing something that "MAY" start to show results in 20 years? 1.5mill a week is what, 500 extra officers on the street a year including their personal kit?

[HG Man]

Yep, software provision (including engineering support and updating/cock up repairs). The 208mill (or 52 a year + rats and mice) is now around 1.5mill a week at the last figures I heard

I haven't read anything like that and that $208M over 4 year is from June 2023. I can't find anything for those numbers on a quick google.

And who says we are short of funding? Its not lack of funds for Policing, its lack of experienced cops and a lack of new recruits.

[No.3]

I haven't read anything like that and that $208M over 4 year is from June 2023. I can't find anything for those numbers on a quick google.

And who says we are short of funding? Its not lack of funds for Policing, its lack of experienced cops and a lack of new recruits.

Ha, so what you are saying is that the numbers for costs are being fudged already. That's reassuring...

[stingray]

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

Give it time, up grades , resources, a top heavy administration, more managers than front line staff, it will be a billion! I guarantee it!