Community safety?

[Tahr]

I give Coster credit that he didn't generalise and actually said a tiny (or maybe a very smal) minority of licensed fire arms owners likely sell on to criminals. And he is probably correct.
He also said that registration has put the spot light on owners to ensure that their security was tight. I agree with him on that. He was actually more objective about the event than some on here.
While most of the criticism of registration is valid we shouldn't be blinded to any benefits or become too subjective.

When things like yesterday happen some on here are inclined to immediately whine like they are the biggest victims. Spare me.

[STC]

It is amazing how officials and media have succeeded to divert attention away from, convicted criminals walking around freely in our society to firearms registry issues...

[tac a1]

Guys, Mr Coster says your the problem and implores you to stop selling your legal firearms to the the grey market. You are one of two problems he has. FFS

Maybe the other problem he has is his grasp of reality???

[Growlybear]

Hope the affected families have time to grieve before this is politicized both here and in the more public domains

If you listen between the lines, especially to Coster, that horse has bolted.

[Bush Basher]

I give Coster credit that he didn't generalise and actually said a tiny (or maybe a very smal) minority of licensed fire arms owners likely sell on to criminals. And he is probably correct.
He also said that registration has put the spot light on owners to ensure that their security was tight. I agree with him on that. He was actually more objective about the event than some on here.
While most of the criticism of registration is valid we shouldn't be blinded to any benefits or become too subjective.

When things like yesterday happen some on here are inclined to immediately whine like they are the biggest victims. Spare me.

I wouldn’t give the guy any credit, he’s the worst police commissioner ever and shouldn’t be in the job.

[Tahr]

I give Coster credit that he didn't generalise and actually said a tiny (or maybe a very smal) minority of licensed fire arms owners likely sell on to criminals. And he is probably correct.
He also said that registration has put the spot light on owners to ensure that their security was tight. I agree with him on that. He was actually more objective about the event than some on here.
While most of the criticism of registration is valid we shouldn't be blinded to any benefits or become too subjective.

When things like yesterday happen some on here are inclined to immediately whine like they are the biggest victims. Spare me.

Actually, my bad. That was Cahill’s interview I was referring to. Not Coster.

[Maca49]

I give Coster credit that he didn't generalise and actually said a tiny (or maybe a very smal) minority of licensed fire arms owners likely sell on to criminals. And he is probably correct.
He also said that registration has put the spot light on owners to ensure that their security was tight. I agree with him on that. He was actually more objective about the event than some on here.
While most of the criticism of registration is valid we shouldn't be blinded to any benefits or become too subjective.

When things like yesterday happen some on here are inclined to immediately whine like they are the biggest victims. Spare me.

Be nice if he gave figures and not just blame licenced firearm owners. Remember we didn’t have a problem, the police were the problem.

[No.3]

One thing the registry will show is the numbers of firearms with the same serial number. I found a rem with a repeat serial a while back, I think they restarted them from A about 5 times now and the overlap on M700's runs to about 3 times? There were a couple of periods with two letter prefixes, but in general it's actually surprising how little manufacturers really bothered with making sure serial numbers weren't repeated.

[tiroahunta]

yes how the hell did he get it- is there a chain store called the gang gun shop only they know about- I hope no dumb idiot with a FAL loaned it to him -that's their license gone and bloody good job - but I suspect that there is no,s of firearms out there held by people with no FAL and no scruples and no registry will fix that

The amount of firearms handed in at the buyback did not equal the amount of SKSs imported up to that point, by just possibly one importer. Bet your sweet ass there's plenty of firearm not held by licensed people out there.....

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[Black Rabbit]

Be nice if he gave figures and not just blame licenced firearm owners. Remember we didn’t have a problem, the police were the problem.

have to say police is not the problem, the real problem the pressures of living, and lack of hope or believes, or just no ones gave him some positive talks no matter what shithole he is in at the moment. It `s easy to give up or giving in, finding a easy way out is easy, but moving forward, going with the plan is hard.

[stingray]

Words are just that…smart words !

Talk is cheap , we are about to spend a billion …not millions but billion of dollars chasing our tails , chasing legally held firearms , for what benefit ?

Think of a snake eating it’s tail, that’s what we are looking at.

So at best a firearm is used in a robbery, it’s tracked back to the owner , who is taken to court , punished , banned from owning firearms ?

And the offender? Going by the latest convictions ? Make your own judgement.

Value for money ?

[Micky Duck]

The amount of firearms handed in at the buyback did not equal the amount of SKSs imported up to that point, by just possibly one importer. Bet your sweet ass there's plenty of firearm not held by licensed people out there.....

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we were discussing this on side of bush trail today while waiting for the billy to boil..... if we use for arguments sake a figure of 10,000 were imported and also for arguments sake suggest that over last 30 years the LICENCED community had kept a hold of 9500 of them..the rest either died or dissapeared.... and MOST licenced folk behaved and handed them in to crusher there would still be the origonal 500 that just dont exist or exist but arent out in open...I personally saw a sks sitting in farm shed a month after they were goneburgers...just sitting on 44gallon drum in an open shed...... not my place to say anything as was at work....

[No.3]

The amount of firearms handed in at the buyback did not equal the amount of SKSs imported up to that point, by just possibly one importer. Bet your sweet ass there's plenty of firearm not held by licensed people out there.....

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Yep, I was in one importer/dealer's shop when they opened a shipment of SKS - a 'come and have a look at this' moment. Certainly an impressive sight - I wasn't interested in SKS then but have used them for knocking pest numbers of goats over since. Can def. say that that one shipment was a very large chunk of the reported numbers from the buy back.

The issue I think we will find with the registry is the 'idea' of it is all ok. The problem is, even if we cut the supply from the legally-held firearms off today there are still oceans out there and how the hell do you make a dent in that? A thousand or so guns confiscated through raids each year isn't even a dent. No one has even mentioned how to tackle this, and a registry will not fix this. Which makes doing the registry at circa 1.5million a week rather questionable as an exercise when the real problem needs every cent of that directed to it.

[No.3]

we were discussing this on side of bush trail today while waiting for the billy to boil..... if we use for arguments sake a figure of 10,000 were imported and also for arguments sake suggest that over last 30 years the LICENCED community had kept a hold of 9500 of them..the rest either died or dissapeared.... and MOST licenced folk behaved and handed them in to crusher there would still be the origonal 500 that just dont exist or exist but arent out in open...I personally saw a sks sitting in farm shed a month after they were goneburgers...just sitting on 44gallon drum in an open shed...... not my place to say anything as was at work....

Given that we were importing them from somewhere after 1956 or so, say 65 years I'd say the odds are on that it would be more than 10,000. Be interesting to know how many Mausers were imported of the various types, I think several thousand M48 type were imported by Sportways in Mt Eden alone. A lot of them would have been reworked for sporters, bloody nice actions for that if somewhat deeply roll-stamped across the front ring.

[XR500]

At the Select committee verbal submission time the gentleman in question who owns the largest single gunshop chain in NZ stated that just his shop alone had imported over 200,000 rifles that fitted the MSSA tag. He made this statement I believe, to show just how far out the budget for the buy back was.

.....in the end the budget wasn't broken...cause of the 57,000 firearms total handed back in, less than 20,000 could be categorised as MSSA's.

I'm not sure if the video footage taken at the select committee hearings is still available on line, but if it is anyone can go listen to the man stating the numbers.