Community safety?

[HG Man]

That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

[Micky Duck]

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

no 208 million over 4 years isnt even close unless it runs for a further 16 years ...its a fifth of a million so if they keep the circus going for 20 years..longer than others have..it WILL have chewed up a billion taxpayers dollars....if we round figures and say population of 6 million and guestimate that 2 in 6 are working (that would be extremely on generous side I would think) that gives 2 million taxpayers so thats near enough to $100 per taxpayer per year.

[HG Man]

no 208 million over 4 years isnt even close unless it runs for a further 16 years ...its a fifth of a million so if they keep the circus going for 20 years..longer than others have..it WILL have chewed up a billion taxpayers dollars....if we round figures and say population of 6 million and guestimate that 2 in 6 are working (that would be extremely on generous side I would think) that gives 2 million taxpayers so thats near enough to $100 per taxpayer per year.

Thats not just the cost of the register, thats the total funding for the Firearms Safety Authority.$52 m a year.

There are approx 3.85M taxpayers in NZ, so $50M/3.85M = $13.50 per taxpayer per year.

[Micky Duck]

Thats not just the cost of the register, thats the total funding for the Firearms Safety Authority.$52 m a year.

There are approx 3.85M taxpayers in NZ, so $50M/3.85M = $13.50 per taxpayer per year.

so just a drop in the bucket...no worries to pay for it so no need for user pays...perfect HGMan has shown we will never need to pay anything at all to hold firearms...perfect.

[HG Man]

so just a drop in the bucket...no worries to pay for it so no need for user pays...perfect HGMan has shown we will never need to pay anything at all to hold firearms...perfect.

Dude, thats not what I'm saying at all. You've just made up some nonsense, I never talked about user pays or anything, I've simply relayed the figures I have come across.

[Micky Duck]

Dude, thats not what I'm saying at all. You've just made up some nonsense, I never talked about user pays or anything, I've simply relayed the figures I have come across.

you said $13.50 per taxpayer per year.......you said it ,not me,not Coster,Not Kerry Allen..she wont be saying much after last night YOU said it....
so it must be true
its cheap as chips so we wont need to pay anything else....awesome thankyou.

[HG Man]

you said $13.50 per taxpayer per year.......you said it ,not me,not Coster,Not Kerry Allen..she wont be saying much after last night YOU said it....

I did say that. Because its pretty simple maths. I showed my working, feel free to do the sums yourself, would you like a calculator?

You are the one making things up, where did I bring up user pays or not needing to pay for anything else, just fucking nonsense.

[No.3]

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

Yep, software provision (including engineering support and updating/cock up repairs). The 208mill (or 52 a year + rats and mice) is now around 1.5mill a week at the last figures I heard, so consider 780mill for 10 years an indicative before inflationary calcs are done - pretty safe to go out on a limb and say it will crack the 1billion for the 11 year initial funding period I reckon. I'll add to that, Coster reckons that we won't start to see any 'benefits' from the registry for at least 2 decades - which begs the question if we are so short of funding for the Police to tackle today's issues what's the point of chasing something that "MAY" start to show results in 20 years? 1.5mill a week is what, 500 extra officers on the street a year including their personal kit?

[HG Man]

Yep, software provision (including engineering support and updating/cock up repairs). The 208mill (or 52 a year + rats and mice) is now around 1.5mill a week at the last figures I heard

I haven't read anything like that and that $208M over 4 year is from June 2023. I can't find anything for those numbers on a quick google.

And who says we are short of funding? Its not lack of funds for Policing, its lack of experienced cops and a lack of new recruits.

[No.3]

I haven't read anything like that and that $208M over 4 year is from June 2023. I can't find anything for those numbers on a quick google.

And who says we are short of funding? Its not lack of funds for Policing, its lack of experienced cops and a lack of new recruits.

Ha, so what you are saying is that the numbers for costs are being fudged already. That's reassuring...

[HG Man]

Ha, so what you are saying is that the numbers for costs are being fudged already. That's reassuring...

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the only figures I have read are the $208M over 4 years. You are claiming you've heard different, not me, if you have something to back up your numbers, then lets see it.

[No.3]

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the only figures I have read are the $208M over 4 years. You are claiming you've heard different, not me, if you have something to back up your numbers, then lets see it.

Well to be fair it's only a chuck away out of a newspaper article, but given the timeframes vs the 208mill over four years figure you're listing and the increasing price of 'everything' currently I would have to say that 1.5mill a week is a fair number. Ties in with 208 divided by the number of months equalling 1 mill a week followed by the rough guesstimate of all cost increases running at circa 25% plus the usual Govt department underestimation figure running at 25%. I think your 3.85million head of population is a little high, we are bloody near on track to lose that number to Aussie haha.

[HG Man]

Well to be fair it's only a chuck away out of a newspaper article, but given the timeframes vs the 208mill over four years figure you're listing and the increasing price of 'everything' currently I would have to say that 1.5mill a week is a fair number. Ties in with 208 divided by the number of months equalling 1 mill a week followed by the rough guesstimate of all cost increases running at circa 25% plus the usual Govt department underestimation figure running at 25%. I think your 3.85million head of population is a little high, we are bloody near on track to lose that number to Aussie haha.

So you have nothing to back up your $1.5M other than a good reckon?

3.85M is the number that the IRD has. They would know after all.