Community safety?

[Maca49]

I give Coster credit that he didn't generalise and actually said a tiny (or maybe a very smal) minority of licensed fire arms owners likely sell on to criminals. And he is probably correct.
He also said that registration has put the spot light on owners to ensure that their security was tight. I agree with him on that. He was actually more objective about the event than some on here.
While most of the criticism of registration is valid we shouldn't be blinded to any benefits or become too subjective.

When things like yesterday happen some on here are inclined to immediately whine like they are the biggest victims. Spare me.

Be nice if he gave figures and not just blame licenced firearm owners. Remember we didn’t have a problem, the police were the problem.

[Black Rabbit]

Be nice if he gave figures and not just blame licenced firearm owners. Remember we didn’t have a problem, the police were the problem.

have to say police is not the problem, the real problem the pressures of living, and lack of hope or believes, or just no ones gave him some positive talks no matter what shithole he is in at the moment. It `s easy to give up or giving in, finding a easy way out is easy, but moving forward, going with the plan is hard.

[STC]

It is amazing how officials and media have succeeded to divert attention away from, convicted criminals walking around freely in our society to firearms registry issues...

[No.3]

One thing the registry will show is the numbers of firearms with the same serial number. I found a rem with a repeat serial a while back, I think they restarted them from A about 5 times now and the overlap on M700's runs to about 3 times? There were a couple of periods with two letter prefixes, but in general it's actually surprising how little manufacturers really bothered with making sure serial numbers weren't repeated.

[stingray]

Words are just that…smart words !

Talk is cheap , we are about to spend a billion …not millions but billion of dollars chasing our tails , chasing legally held firearms , for what benefit ?

Think of a snake eating it’s tail, that’s what we are looking at.

So at best a firearm is used in a robbery, it’s tracked back to the owner , who is taken to court , punished , banned from owning firearms ?

And the offender? Going by the latest convictions ? Make your own judgement.

Value for money ?

[HG Man]

Talk is cheap , we are about to spend a billion …not millions but billion of dollars chasing our tails , chasing legally held firearms , for what benefit ?

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

[No.3]

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.

[HG Man]

That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

[Micky Duck]

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

no 208 million over 4 years isnt even close unless it runs for a further 16 years ...its a fifth of a million so if they keep the circus going for 20 years..longer than others have..it WILL have chewed up a billion taxpayers dollars....if we round figures and say population of 6 million and guestimate that 2 in 6 are working (that would be extremely on generous side I would think) that gives 2 million taxpayers so thats near enough to $100 per taxpayer per year.

[No.3]

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

Yep, software provision (including engineering support and updating/cock up repairs). The 208mill (or 52 a year + rats and mice) is now around 1.5mill a week at the last figures I heard, so consider 780mill for 10 years an indicative before inflationary calcs are done - pretty safe to go out on a limb and say it will crack the 1billion for the 11 year initial funding period I reckon. I'll add to that, Coster reckons that we won't start to see any 'benefits' from the registry for at least 2 decades - which begs the question if we are so short of funding for the Police to tackle today's issues what's the point of chasing something that "MAY" start to show results in 20 years? 1.5mill a week is what, 500 extra officers on the street a year including their personal kit?

[stingray]

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

Give it time, up grades , resources, a top heavy administration, more managers than front line staff, it will be a billion! I guarantee it!

[XR500]

At the Select committee verbal submission time the gentleman in question who owns the largest single gunshop chain in NZ stated that just his shop alone had imported over 200,000 rifles that fitted the MSSA tag. He made this statement I believe, to show just how far out the budget for the buy back was.

.....in the end the budget wasn't broken...cause of the 57,000 firearms total handed back in, less than 20,000 could be categorised as MSSA's.

I'm not sure if the video footage taken at the select committee hearings is still available on line, but if it is anyone can go listen to the man stating the numbers.

[Micky Duck]

At the Select committee verbal submission time the gentleman in question who owns the largest single gunshop chain in NZ stated that just his shop alone had imported over 200,000 rifles that fitted the MSSA tag. He made this statement I believe, to show just how far out the budget for the buy back was.

.....in the end the budget wasn't broken...cause of the 57,000 firearms total handed back in, less than 20,000 could be categorised as MSSA's.

I'm not sure if the video footage taken at the select committee hearings is still available on line, but if it is anyone can go listen to the man stating the numbers.

so less than 10% so 90% are still out there SOMEWHERE.....

[winchesterM69A]

Anyone who thinks gangs arent importing firearms along with their drugs is living in a dream world. Police and Customs have no show of stopping containers of drugs entering NZ , so theres no way they can stop firearms either.

Its just easier victimising the law-abiding owners because we are a soft target that will simply roll over and comply.

[blip]

I went to 4 buyback places to hand shit in. The thing stuck out like dogs balls to me was fuck all skss being handed in. They must be the most common semi center fire in nz other than an ar