Community safety?

[winchesterM69A]

Anyone who thinks gangs arent importing firearms along with their drugs is living in a dream world. Police and Customs have no show of stopping containers of drugs entering NZ , so theres no way they can stop firearms either.

Its just easier victimising the law-abiding owners because we are a soft target that will simply roll over and comply.

[Micky Duck]

At the Select committee verbal submission time the gentleman in question who owns the largest single gunshop chain in NZ stated that just his shop alone had imported over 200,000 rifles that fitted the MSSA tag. He made this statement I believe, to show just how far out the budget for the buy back was.

.....in the end the budget wasn't broken...cause of the 57,000 firearms total handed back in, less than 20,000 could be categorised as MSSA's.

I'm not sure if the video footage taken at the select committee hearings is still available on line, but if it is anyone can go listen to the man stating the numbers.

so less than 10% so 90% are still out there SOMEWHERE.....

[blip]

I went to 4 buyback places to hand shit in. The thing stuck out like dogs balls to me was fuck all skss being handed in. They must be the most common semi center fire in nz other than an ar

[HG Man]

Talk is cheap , we are about to spend a billion …not millions but billion of dollars chasing our tails , chasing legally held firearms , for what benefit ?

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

[Micky Duck]

when has a government contrated job ever gone within budget LOL????

[HG Man]

when has a government contrated job ever gone within budget LOL????

IRD came in under budget and actually before the projected completion date. Thats prob the biggest IT project NZ's ever seen.

[No.3]

Still not successful. Can't contact them, not enough people to process emails so they've stopped that as an option, MyIR never seems to work or get a response and booking a callback for three days time when you don't know what you are planning tomorrow is laughable. The system is so good I got a printed letter chasing me up for my last employer stopping contributions to Kiwisaver (in their defence they tend to do that when ACC farks you around so much that the employer buys you out of the contract and you are no longer employed by them) but if IRD had bothered to check they would have seen exactly whats going on with over a 2-year block of ACC flagged payments on my returns.

[No.3]

Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contract

That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.

[No.3]

I went to 4 buyback places to hand shit in. The thing stuck out like dogs balls to me was fuck all skss being handed in. They must be the most common semi center fire in nz other than an ar

I'd go out on a limb and state that as AR's only became commonplace fairly recently in the picture after a couple of legal challenges to the import restrictions, I would be absolutely surprised if the numbers of AR's got anywhere close to the amount of SK series firearms imported. The problem we currently have is that we are still in this situation of trying to classify a firearm as safe by it's appearance and features. That's completely irrelevant to anything to do with safety, a firearm lying on the floor has never in the history of inanimate objects ever gotten up by itself, loaded itself and pulled it's own trigger.

Unfortunately, bad people will use whatever they can get to do bad things and the main problem we have at the moment is a system of governance and regulation that appears to not understand the effects of it's actions and how to actually fix what they are identifying as weak points in their system. It would seem that cut-and-paste UN-sponsored 'solutions' aren't helping a jot as well as dumb ideas imported by a bunch of used import Pomgolian bobbies.

[HG Man]

That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

[HG Man]

Still not successful. .

Sounds like a painful experience. I deal with them a fair bit and I haven't had any issues like you have. From what I've heard, its cases like yours where theres not a SOP to guide them, thats where it all goes wrong.

[blip]

I'd go out on a limb and state that as AR's only became commonplace fairly recently in the picture after a couple of legal challenges to the import restrictions, I would be absolutely surprised if the numbers of AR's got anywhere close to the amount of SK series firearms imported. The problem we currently have is that we are still in this situation of trying to classify a firearm as safe by it's appearance and features. That's completely irrelevant to anything to do with safety, a firearm lying on the floor has never in the history of inanimate objects ever gotten up by itself, loaded itself and pulled it's own trigger.

Unfortunately, bad people will use whatever they can get to do bad things and the main problem we have at the moment is a system of governance and regulation that appears to not understand the effects of it's actions and how to actually fix what they are identifying as weak points in their system. It would seem that cut-and-paste UN-sponsored 'solutions' aren't helping a jot as well as dumb ideas imported by a bunch of used import Pomgolian bobbies.

What do you recon the second most common centerfire semi after the sks would of been in nz not including collector ones?

[Micky Duck]

IRD came in under budget and actually before the projected completion date. Thats prob the biggest IT project NZ's ever seen.

IRD have a huge budget..they get a huge hunk of OUR money to play with...this register isnt a fixed amount job as the thing will continue to grow continually.someone will still have to do the admin and follow up....

[Micky Duck]

Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.

The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.

https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke

Not even close to a Billion..

no 208 million over 4 years isnt even close unless it runs for a further 16 years ...its a fifth of a million so if they keep the circus going for 20 years..longer than others have..it WILL have chewed up a billion taxpayers dollars....if we round figures and say population of 6 million and guestimate that 2 in 6 are working (that would be extremely on generous side I would think) that gives 2 million taxpayers so thats near enough to $100 per taxpayer per year.

[No.3]

I would be thinking something in the sporting designs like a Browning? I'm honestly unsure as to the exact answer here, and I have pondered it a bit. The Browning would be up on my list just because of the length of time it has been manufactured vs the more modern options giving more time for them to dribble in.