Thread: Cop beaten and side arm taken.

In short, it was a fuck up.

It was fucked up, fucked up at the lack of respect and help shown towards a Police officer.
Walking away would be a lot easier said than done with the adrenalin going, wanting to carry out your job/not wanting to empower the bastard criminals by showing both them and the public that your 'scared' (view that would be perceived) of them.

As far as I'm aware none of us were there so its all if, buts and maybes.

No one died and the gun made it back to police hands so maybe we should all just be thankful for small miracles?

Nibblet, you have just reinforced the position I have taken in my posts.

All of the reasons you have outlined for pushing forward with an arrest are the EXACT opposite of what a professional police officer should be considering. Its thought processes like that that lead to fuck ups.

Consider this. Offender is sitting with mates having a beer while fishing. Cop comes along knowing there is a warrant for his arrest and thinks to himself, 'score, I have been looking for you for a while.' He goes over and says "Hello sunshine, can I have a chat for a minute? Theres a warrant out for you that we really need to get tidied up"

Offender feeling all empowered bacause he has a bunch of mates around him says - "piss off

Cop realising that this could go sideways big time thinks to himself "yeah, this really isint worth me getting shit kicked over and its a warrant for a pretty minor offence" so says to the offender "sweet as, I'll do you a deal, if you come to see me at the station tomorrow we can sort it out then"

Offender doesnt lose face in front of his mates, cop looks like a seriously reasonable sort in front of everyone including the offender, his mates, all bystanders and the offenders family. And if he does come to the station the following day then even better. Not saying he will, but in my experience it happens at least 20% of the time depending on how you deal with it.

If the cop thinks there is very little chance he will come in, he waits and watches till the offender is on his own, ideally asleep, and goes and does the business on his terms.

Its what smart cops do.

What actually happened was anything but smart. It was a fuck up.

Yeah fair call.

From what I have seen and read it's pretty hard to tell how fast things went pear shaped though. So I think arguing either side of the fence is all heresy.

Something I think everyone in this forum can agree on is the lack of respect people in this country a beginning to show towards the uniform is unacceptable, from the amount of people who try to do runners in cars to those who just blatantly attack officers in the last few months. The speed at which the Police get lynched by the media and made guilty with 5/8ths of fuck all facts being known is astonishing.

I personally would love to see BOTH harsher penalties AND Thailand-esk prisons. Give them a reason to comply. Won't deter all but will make most common people think twice.

That's my rant over.

It was a fuck up, no doubt about it. But there are so many situations in everyday policing that can go pearshaped like this very quickly.

Bail checks, traffic stops and domestics are all situations where there is potential for big fuk ups and no doubt than when they occur then people are going to sit on their keyboards and say there is no way they should've gone in there. Confrontation is a frequent part of policing.

He had backup there, the firebrigade were in the photos, not Police but can still act under instruction. This guy was obviously a high priority target and had a history of avoiding Police. The cop went in there as prepared as he could be except for waiting for other Police, in which time his opportunity may have gone. Why didn't his backup jump in straight away? They were right there. I think there is more to this than we know.

It's very easy to slag him off on here but we don't know the full circumstances and we also have the beauty of hindsight, the Constable didn't. As a nation we seem to call a person brave if they succeed and stupid if they don't.

why didn't the cop use advanced Kung fu techniques on the 7 while shooting them all in the left knee because that's really easy and he is trained in all that stuff - he could have then used his wonder woman truth lassoo and interrogated them all at once --I cant understand why he didnt ??

Originally Posted by el borracho

why didn't the cop use advanced Kung fu techniques on the 7 while shooting them all in the left knee because that's really easy and he is trained in all that stuff - he could have then used his wonder woman truth lassoo and interrogated them all at once --I cant understand why he didnt ??

I am old enough to remember Linda Carter in her prime. Thanks for the memory El B

I cant understand why he didnt ??

Nor can I?

Wish I had fists as big as her!

I wasn't having a go, I was just asking.

The thing here is police dont join the force because they are interested in shooting, sure some are but most are not.
Its not uncommon to be shit at something you have no interest in.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

The thing here is police dont join the force because they are interested in shooting, sure some are but most are not.
Its not uncommon to be shit at something you have no interest in.

I think that's a really good point. However I could bet that most cops are interested in surviving

I really cannot understand anyone wanting to join the police force with the lack of tools they now possess to carry out their job. You would live in a world of scumbags. Give the force some force and forget the PC shit.

They have enough force now Maca, however what happens in the courtroom is pretty useless. That is what needs a real sharpen up.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

They have enough force now Maca, however what happens in the courtroom is pretty useless. That is what needs a real sharpen up.

When you can swear at a cop or spit in their face without charge they don't have enough force, we need respect for the police, as it was when I was young a quick kick up the arse never hurt anyone

Originally Posted by Maca49

When you can swear at a cop or spit in their face without charge they don't have enough force, we need respect for the police, as it was when I was young a quick kick up the arse never hurt anyone

See above Maca. If the court grew a set that WOULD NOT happen. Instead we have the soft cock version.

I understand the cops do the work then get let down from above and that should indeed be where the real work is happening. The cops and those they bust know this.

Jesus 7mm, all I can do is take it at face value, don't have the time or a few spare million $$$ to get everything fact checked.