Thread: Could we do more

Originally Posted by Maca49

Dont be silly, Alcohol is not a drug!

Sure it is, probably the one that does the most harm in NZ

Originally Posted by res

Sure it is, probably the one that does the most harm in NZ

+1

Originally Posted by res

Sure it is, probably the one that does the most harm in NZ

Probably right, but only because the usage is so high. If other drugs that are claimed to do less harm were used as commonly (and excessively) as alcohol I think you'd probably see a much higher level of harm from them.

Bit off topic now mind you... how about I recommend people don't build or install gun safes while affected by alcohol or other drugs?

Whenever someone complains about security requirements, I think about that guy in North Auckland who had all those Accuracy International rifles taken from a piss arse gun rack during a burglary.

One was worth about $11000 or so. In a wall rack. Met the minimum requirements, but that's cold comfort when the guns are all gone.

The guns in the safe weren't touched.

Security requirements for all guns should be increased.

Originally Posted by systolic

Whenever someone complains about security requirements, I think about that guy in North Auckland who had all those Accuracy International rifles taken from a piss arse gun rack during a burglary.

One was worth about $11000 or so. In a wall rack. Met the minimum requirements, but that's cold comfort when the guns are all gone.

The guns in the safe weren't touched.

Security requirements for all guns should be increased.

What do you propose the security requirements are for all guns?

Originally Posted by Beavis

What do you propose the security requirements are for all guns?

And that's the crux of the issue right there, how do you draw the line?

Metal box?

What number of locking pins?

How thick?

Would be nice to have actual data on what sort of security most guns are stolen from but I doubt anyone has collected it in detail

Originally Posted by res

And that's the crux of the issue right there, how do you draw the line?

Metal box?

What number of locking pins?

How thick?

Would be nice to have actual data on what sort of security most guns are stolen from but I doubt anyone has collected it in detail

If the Government subsidized the purchase of the gun box,then they would really be doing something about the problem.Over here you can't get your licence untill you submit a copy of the receipt of purchase of a approved gun safe.If you already have one in your house or your missus has one,you must document that fact and agree to the possibility of the Cops turning up to check it unannounced.

There is a standard already in the UK it's not difficult for them to copy it, safes are not expensive , the cost of a middle priced scope. Punishment for gun crimes and drugs / theft needs to be stronger, but that's not going to happen , if anything it's getting lighter.

Originally Posted by Beavis

What do you propose the security requirements are for all guns?

Proper steel safes that take more than a large screwdriver to open. Securely fastened to the building walls and floor.

Wooden cabinets or wardrobes could be acceptable as long as they were lined with something strong to prevent a robber simply kicking through the gib.

No crappy wooden cupboards, lockers that can be opened with a can opener, wall racks or chains through the triggerguards.

A safe screwed to the floor. Need tools / 10+mins to remove it. Something made from thick enough steel that you can't kick it open

I'd legalize all drugs to destroy the organised crime economy then address the issues that force people into poverty and crime. But hey lets just make gun owners get better safes cuz we're too fuckin lazy to do the above

Originally Posted by Beavis

I'd legalize all drugs to destroy the organised crime economy then address the issues that force people into poverty and crime. But hey lets just make gun owners get better safes cuz we're too fuckin lazy to do the above

We need to become more addicted to our sport

Originally Posted by Beavis

I'd legalize all drugs to destroy the organised crime economy then address the issues that force people into poverty and crime. But hey lets just make gun owners get better safes cuz we're too fuckin lazy to do the above

problem solved: make all drugs legal but only obtainable from vodaphones help desk, after an hour or 2 on hold you will just give up

BS 7558 and BS3621, is the standard the rest is drivel, you also missed out the bits regarding cables/ bars etc which states you have to have a monitored alarm system and other high security options on doors and windows. Of course we could always encourage the NZ government to spend $000,000 on drawing up a standard as you suggest, as I wrote I never said follow UK legislation on firearms, just set a standard for gun safes, without spending my dollars to reinvent the wheel.
I agree that most safes are of the same quality here, but at the moment, as we are seeing with Ecat safes they are not approved, and people are having problems with getting them signed off, at present we are not selling E cat safes due to this problem

Originally Posted by Taff

BS 7558 and BS3621, is the standard the rest is drivel

Compliance with those British standards is not legally mandated in British law. It's only recommended that you comply with them. But the firearms officer ("vetting officer" as we call them here) may, at their discretion, accept anything. If they were mandated by law, then there would be sections in legislation stating that gunsafes "shall comply with [insert standards here]."

Standard BS 7558 relates to testing methods and "withstanding attack." And not to the construction or installation of gunsafes. By mandating that "all gunsafes must comply with BS 7558", you would require independent testing, to destruction, of every gunsafe you wished to use and every installation method.

Standard BS 3621 relates to security standards of locks.

The reality is that British firearms storage law is no different to New Zealand firearms storage law.

NOTE: New Zealand already has an equivalent to BS 7558. AS/NZS 3809: 1998.

you also missed out the bits regarding cables/ bars etc which states you have to have a monitored alarm system and other high security options on doors and windows.

Please cite the legislation which states that you "shall" or "must" have a monitored alarm system.