Thread: Darwin is getting slow in his old age.

Here ya go Beavis:

Had to rework the deaths/100k to fit on the same X scale, so multiplied it by 100 (per 10M).

Originally Posted by ebf

Here ya go Beavis:

Had to rework the deaths/100k to fit on the same X scale, so multiplied it by 100 (per 10M).

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Does that not basically mirror the statistics proposed by "wish"? I could imagine that other factors like increasing population and a changing of culture such as a move towards urbanisation and less overall exposure over all to shooting might play a part. It would also be interesting but probably impossible to see who the victims of gun homicide were. Were there more criminals killing each other in previous decades? Have firearm users evolved into a more safety conscious entity resulting in fewer unintentional firearm killings? Has the reduced availability of guns made an impact on overall suicide rates, or just ones involving one specific method (guns)?

All questions which are impossible to answer looking at raw numbers.

Originally Posted by ebf

Here ya go Beavis:

Had to rework the deaths/100k to fit on the same X scale, so multiplied it by 100 (per 10M).

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It would appear to me that the trend was well established long before the aberation of Tasmania and the knee-jerk legislation that resulted. That seems to be well born out by the research paper referenced a couple of posts above.

You can use stats to justify almost anything.... 98% of people know this......

And then if we compare Aus to USA.

Numbers are not that important, different societies have different rates, but look at the slope of the line...

1980 looks like a great year

Originally Posted by Toby

1980 looks like a great year

That is the year I was born, shit got real....

Brads, it might be a shit thread but hey, I find it cool that we can discuss this matter...most of us on here have grown up with guns and learnt from early ages how to use them and how to be safe with them...the psychology of it all is fascinating...shit thread, yes maybe you are right...13 people died on the roads this holiday period...I dont see anyone pushing for vehicles of personal use being banned...kind of ironic, methinks...

Beavis, the raw data might be the same, but the interpretation sure as hell is not

"Wish" (a anti gun control lobby group by the way), tried to somehow prove that gun deaths in Aus are not decreasing, or that the decrease is not related to legislation implemented in 1996. The way they try to do this is by referring to the "difference" in yearly numbers. All that this proves is that the decrease is roughly linear...

Take a look at the Aus/USA graph. See what happens immediately following 1996 ? Those numbers are per 100k population, and compensate for increases or decreases in population. The anti control groups claim that "gun-crime" is falling in the USA. In my book the most serious consequence of gun crime, gun negligence etc is death. The green line seems to be fairly flat to me...

Originally Posted by ebf

Beavis, the raw data might be the same, but the interpretation sure as hell is not

"Wish" (a anti gun control lobby group by the way), tried to somehow prove that gun deaths in Aus are not decreasing, or that the decrease is not related to legislation implemented in 1996. The way they try to do this is by referring to the "difference" in yearly numbers. All that this proves is that the decrease is roughly linear...

Take a look at the Aus/USA graph. See what happens immediately following 1996 ? Those numbers are per 100k population, and compensate for increases or decreases in population. The anti control groups claim that "gun-crime" is falling in the USA. In my book the most serious consequence of gun crime, gun negligence etc is death. The green line seems to be fairly flat to me...

Not sure where you got the statistics regarding the USA but the Berau of Justice Statistics found that firearm homicide decreased by 39% between 1993 and 2011.

Non fatal firearm violence declined by 69% in the same period.

I figure those are pretty significant reductions. Neither pro nor anti gun laws really explain it. It was a pretty tumultuous period politically for firearms.

This is a shit thread.


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Originally Posted by BRADS

This is a shit thread.


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Agree or disagree with the topic being discussed but at least for once it hasn't degenerated into another round of handbags at dawn.

Originally Posted by BRADS

This is a shit thread.


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Just add 1080 then it will be terminated

Originally Posted by Dundee

Just add 1080 then it will be terminated

If only 1080 had worked that well on possums.

Threads like this just keep coming up on forums, and tend to make life hard on admin regardless on where they personally stand

@Beavis, in the instance of Australia, I do not think it is necessarily a reduced availability of firearms...it is just that semi-automatic guns are no longer in the mix.