Thread: E cat safe/safe room options

Originally Posted by Savage1

@Jexla, the childish comment wasn't aimed at you or anybody else in particular, I actually think your style of post has somewhat improved lately but with a few still being unnecessarily obtuse, but I guess that's just your style.

The problem with your idea is that it doesn't discourage a FAL holder from buying legally and selling to unlicenced people, which would be one of the main goals of a database.

Decent firearms are actually worth more on the black market, paticulary amongst gangs who have huge amounts of cash available, pistols are 5-10k+. But yes if you're outside those circles it would be hard to get that kind of money for them.

As for your final question @timattalon I'm not sure anyone could answer that with any kind of certainty.

That is, in part, my point. I see it as a potential unforeseen (but not unforeseeable) consequence of enacting those law changes. I dont disagree that those changes were well intentioned, but I think the changes were made by people who did not have a complete understanding of firearms and the issues around them. A lot of these issues arise because of the lack of knowledge around firearms within the "anti-brigade" who are involved and refuse to understand because they "already know" everything. It is called the "Backfire effect" and can be very difficult to overcome. https://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06...ckfire-effect/

I'd have to agree with what @Beavis said, gun crime in NZ is so minuscule you would wonder why it's even talked about... But unfortunately due to hidden agendas behind the mass media and govt it seems to be frequently "hyped up" & sensationalized in the media and the Police Association. Reason being and scrutiny of FAL holders because of this is all guessing games.

Whether this all has a connection that ties to the UN civilian disarmament regime is probably no coincidence I might add.

If there was a gang / general criminal related firearm problem that was as bad as the Police Association claims it to be, we'd be reading about countless gang members taking the room temperature challenge. They have not provided any statistical data to substantiate their claims.

Gang members do not want to engage in massive gunfights because it will attract police attention and in a country this small, even gang members aren't stupid enough to do that, particularly with the surveillance techniques, technology and legislation available to Police. If gang members have MSSA and pistols, does this not prove that registration doesn't work?

What then is the problem - and why are licensed firearm owners continually lined up for further "analysis" and "review" of firearm laws?

Let's see some statistics from Police which show:

1. Number of firearms stolen
2. Types of firearms stolen
3. Number of firearms recovered and can be connected to a crime (i.e. registered firearms)

Then I'll be happy to analyse the data and consider if - in my opinion - further legislation is required.

And if the cops say that they can run the current system properly now, why are there so many delays to people getting export permits?

Why so many delays to people getting licenses and endorsements issued which is, after all, the most basic thing that they have to do?

The cops get their best compliance rates IMO on the back of licensed owners' goodwill and yet they seem to want to keep chipping away at said goodwill

Couple of things that may be of interest

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...e-gun-records/

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-registration/

Originally Posted by Beavis

Couple of things that may be of interest

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...e-gun-records/

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-registration/

And the police wonder why nz shooters have growing animosity to them?
Unbelievable.

Hey fellas,

Don't mean to necro this thread but it was somewhat better than starting a new thead and hopefully we get away from the discussion that has dominated this thread.

If I've a out-house or hobbies room as you call it, situated in front of the house with access via a lockable security door screen and a deadbolt door lock There is a rear door but it has a deadbolt door lock. The exterior is weather-board in construction with insulation in the roof and walls, covered by gypboard/plaster. The out-house is on a concrete pad with carpet. The overall size is rectangle with 4 windows with security latches installed and the room is an empty slate with nothing inside.

My question is reading the room's description, how would I make it compliant (room of stout construction) for my E & B category firearms? I can install grilles on the inside of the windows. I can alarm the outhouse. I will fix my safe into the concrete floor. Should I put concrete blocks with steel mesh to strengthen the entire house or should I just build a strong room inside the outhouse with the required specs so its a room locked within a room and keep my costs lower?

Cheers for reading I know its quite late!

Sorry, is the outhouse attached to the house or standalone?

16mm steel bars every 200mm in each direction epoxied into the window frames should do the windows and the fattest grade of steel flooring mesh (the big sheets) on the walls with 18mm ply screwed over it on the interior should meet your requirements but before doing the work I'd strongly suggest going to your local Arms Officer and showing them some pics of what and where and how you plan to do it and get their buy-in so that they are more likely to say yes

Please keep us posted and put up pics as you go - good luck

Originally Posted by 308

Sorry, is the outhouse attached to the house or standalone?

16mm steel bars every 200mm in each direction epoxied into the window frames should do the windows and the fattest grade of steel flooring mesh (the big sheets) on the walls with 18mm ply screwed over it on the interior should meet your requirements but before doing the work I'd strongly suggest going to your local Arms Officer and showing them some pics of what and where and how you plan to do it and get their buy-in so that they are more likely to say yes

Please keep us posted and put up pics as you go - good luck

Yes it a standalone outhouse by itself. Do I need to put flooring mesh on the ceiling as well? The roof is just a standard house roof with potential some space in the roof. Agree with going to see the AO but I figured I have a plan in mind so he knows I have given it some thought.

I'd armour the ceiling same as the walls - there used to be a crew of burglars that specialized in gaining entry by peeling back a bit of the roofing..

Originally Posted by 308

I'd armour the ceiling same as the walls - there used to be a crew of burglars that specialized in gaining entry by peeling back a bit of the roofing..

Thanks mate. I see a potential issue with anchoring the safe to the wall i.e. not knowing where the studs might be since I didn't build the outhouse. Alternatively I could build a strong-room within the outhouse to save on total costs?

The vetting officer came along tonight after giving me 10 mins prior notice to check my security (dont get me started on this). He was overall pleasant.

Checked my security arrangements and then proceeded to ask where are my As which I advised - sorry not here! But the ones you need to check are here. In the end passed the inspection but was still trying to ask where my As were.

Nosey bugger

It really is luck of the draw as to where in the country you are located that gives you good inspectors or bad

Wgtn one (here at least) is very chilled


Also your post has reminded me - I need to take pics of my latest firearms and copy them to a USB stick which I can store in my mates' safe so cheers for that

Originally Posted by 308

Nosey bugger

It really is luck of the draw as to where in the country you are located that gives you good inspectors or bad

Wgtn one (here at least) is very chilled


Also your post has reminded me - I need to take pics of my latest firearms and copy them to a USB stick which I can store in my mates' safe so cheers for that

I am in Wgtn too... clearly YMMV