Thread: FAL Renewal Denied

Originally Posted by 300_BLK

one is too many and tens not enough...

Now the fire water of Polish Star and Red Horse... that was brutal. Almost as brutal as the sugar cane alcohol from Boma out east by the Ethiopian border... All we had after the food ran out when the helo wouldn't pick us up, haha

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Originally Posted by Feral

Now the fire water of Polish Star and Red Horse... that was brutal. Almost as brutal as the sugar cane alcohol from Boma out east by the Ethiopian border... All we had after the food ran out when the helo wouldn't pick us up, haha

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Might explain the vision test results....

Red Horse is pretty much wine

While I wish I could say I have never had a dram when guns are out, I do think that drinking before the guns are away shows a certain level below "fit and proper" so people should pay a penalty for it. If that should be not being able to renew their licence is another matter-should be case by case and as the story has been told in this thread I imagine a judge throwing it out very fast if the police were challenged on it.

what a load of bollocks. at best a ranger can only assume somebody is drinking unless he has an enforceable way of assessing it (ie breath testing device) which anyway he would not have any legal jurisdiction to use in that situation
so failing to get your license renewed on the back of 'reported assumed drinking' is BS in my book and agree a lawyer would/should be able to kick it to touch. i hope so anyway!
i'm not saying i condone drinking with firearms but the assumption aspect is just a case of getting over-policed again

And yet they have the power to confiscate guns, and vehicles, or action the confiscation of.
If drinking was plainly obvious, I'm guessing the police would be called.
I just found it feasible that notes could be put on your file, which in due course, could cause issues

Originally Posted by oraki

And yet they have the power to confiscate guns, and vehicles, or action the confiscation of.
If drinking was plainly obvious, I'm guessing the police would be called.
I just found it feasible that notes could be put on your file, which in due course, could cause issues

that is all legislated law, here we are talking about reporting alleged drinking without police involvement. sure that info could be put on file i can understand that, but to deny an FAL without proof or investigation is a tough or questionably valid card to pull

I wouldn't have a problem with being breath tested while in charge of a fire arm or supervising someone with one

ha ha target. F/g have no input into alcohol and firearms Duh. You drink play with guns f/G turn up not our issue, you drink play with guns whist we have Police with us Dumb you.

Originally Posted by Sideshow

My Dad escorted a game ranger off our farm as he was armed. Dad said I did not give you permission to come onto my land armed.
He said but I'm in the queens chain.
He still went. Local cop backed Dad.
He still came. Back the next year....no gun though.
As for the code I thought it said Avoid alcohol and drugs. Not that I condoning getting rat faced with a gun.
Can't see how they could enforce this, where's the proof! What a game ranger said...sorry but any good lawyer will have that dismissed.
On an eye witness? Not exactly blowing in the bag that is proof of alcohol consumption.

important to note that not all water ways have a queens chain, my mates farm is an example of one that does not have one, they get sick of people claiming queens chain rights, in saying that they have a way of communicating that sees unwanted quest depart rather quickly.

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Sensible drinking doesn't rattle me at all, being under the influence and showing it, gets me nervous. We have lunch at the local pub on Opening Day and I have a beer with that. We have a cop with us and he keeps an eye on us. N.b don't do Ranging after lunch.

Originally Posted by mucko

important to note that not all water ways have a queens chain, my mates farm is an example of one that does not have one, they get sick of people claiming queens chain rights, in saying that they have a way of communicating that sees unwanted quest depart rather quickly.

Yep, dead right, in fact the Queen's Chain is a myth. This document is a bit old now but explains it. Truth behind the Queen's Chain
Probably much more recent docs now with all the foreshore balihoo.

The other one is paper (unformed) roads and peoples’ mistaken view of rights around these. Paper roads are very well documented of recent.

Originally Posted by zimmer

Yep, dead right, in fact the Queen's Chain is a myth. This document is a bit old now but explains it. Truth behind the Queen's Chain
Probably much more recent docs now with all the foreshore balihoo.

The other one is paper (unformed) roads and peoples’ mistaken view of rights around these. Paper roads are very well documented of recent.

Hey @zimmer can you point me towards more info on unformed roads rights?
From what I've read public can access them just like any other road?


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Originally Posted by SlowElliot

Hey @zimmer can you point me towards more info on unformed roads rights?
From what I've read public can access them just like any other road?


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Yeah, I probably didn't word that bit about "mistaken view of right" quite right.

Here are a few links. The last one has mapping showing the locations. Some local councils also do a good job of mapping the ULRs in their areas.

Main issue when staring down and arguing with an irate farmer over your legal right to be on the road is the fact that you need to be certain you are truly on the road which in a lot of cases may be hard to determine.

If you Google Paper Roads you will see lots of stories where access is disputed by the adjoining landowners or councils themselves.

Also a lot of landowners probably prefer that local knowledge is kept quiet about the location of ULRs and in a lot of cases you would have to be sympathetic to them given the dicks that are around.

Unformed Legal Roads » Walking Access Commission
Paper Roads And Public Access | NWM
https://www.wams.org.nz/wams_tablet/index.html

@zimmer
Thanks. Pretty Interesting.
I never knew about them. I have questions.
I wouldn't want to piss any farmers off. Would you be likely to be stopped by an angry man?
Is the correct etiquette to talk to someone at farm first?
Or just go ahead?
Do people actually use these roads for hunting access?


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