Thread: Feeling sick after reading this !

Yes, the loopholes are many and frightening - and every step taken to 'improve' the system seems to make it more easily advantaged. I had a mate fall foul with an online site, sold a firearm and requested the mail order documentation as per the requirements. Not forthcoming... Money was there quicksmart in his account though. Mate did the right thing, refused to send the firearm until paperwork supplied to verify buyer's license - but paperwork still didn't arrive. Next step, mate gets a call from Trademe enquiring what the go was, why hadn't he completed the transaction? He patiently explained the situation, said by law he couldn't send it until the required Police mail order paperwork was supplied and if the buyer couldn't supply it he would refund the payment and cancel the auction/apply for return of the fee.

This is where it gets funky, Trademe girl starts having a go and orders the mate to complete the transaction as per Trademe's terms and conditions! Mate says 'excuse you, your terms and conditions state that all firearms auctions and sales must comply with the requirements of the Arms Act...' - which is where that argument descended into a idiot's guide to achieving not a lot. I think he contacted the Police Arms guys to let them know, and ended up finally getting bank details off the buyer to refund the payment. I'm not too sure of the finer points of the rest of how that ended, but it was as dodgy as F...

Basically, that's a long winded way of saying Trademe no longer has a customer from me mate and quite right from him to - total shit show from them and any system of theirs is a crap shoot at the best of times. I know of another guy who couldn't use trademe for a while as his licence number failed the check tool for a while. They told him he wasn't licenced, he's looking at his licence going huh? Smack me head...

Originally Posted by No.3

Yes, the loopholes are many and frightening - and every step taken to 'improve' the system seems to make it more easily advantaged. I had a mate fall foul with an online site, sold a firearm and requested the mail order documentation as per the requirements. Not forthcoming... Money was there quicksmart in his account though. Mate did the right thing, refused to send the firearm until paperwork supplied to verify buyer's license - but paperwork still didn't arrive. Next step, mate gets a call from Trademe enquiring what the go was, why hadn't he completed the transaction? He patiently explained the situation, said by law he couldn't send it until the required Police mail order paperwork was supplied and if the buyer couldn't supply it he would refund the payment and cancel the auction/apply for return of the fee.

This is where it gets funky, Trademe girl starts having a go and orders the mate to complete the transaction as per Trademe's terms and conditions! Mate says 'excuse you, your terms and conditions state that all firearms auctions and sales must comply with the requirements of the Arms Act...' - which is where that argument descended into a idiot's guide to achieving not a lot. I think he contacted the Police Arms guys to let them know, and ended up finally getting bank details off the buyer to refund the payment. I'm not too sure of the finer points of the rest of how that ended, but it was as dodgy as F...

Basically, that's a long winded way of saying Trademe no longer has a customer from me mate and quite right from him to - total shit show from them and any system of theirs is a crap shoot at the best of times. I know of another guy who couldn't use trademe for a while as his licence number failed the check tool for a while. They told him he wasn't licenced, he's looking at his licence going huh? Smack me head...

That smells like trademe girl was involved

Originally Posted by No.3

Yes, the loopholes are many and frightening - and every step taken to 'improve' the system seems to make it more easily advantaged. I had a mate fall foul with an online site, sold a firearm and requested the mail order documentation as per the requirements. Not forthcoming... Money was there quicksmart in his account though. Mate did the right thing, refused to send the firearm until paperwork supplied to verify buyer's license - but paperwork still didn't arrive. Next step, mate gets a call from Trademe enquiring what the go was, why hadn't he completed the transaction? He patiently explained the situation, said by law he couldn't send it until the required Police mail order paperwork was supplied and if the buyer couldn't supply it he would refund the payment and cancel the auction/apply for return of the fee.

This is where it gets funky, Trademe girl starts having a go and orders the mate to complete the transaction as per Trademe's terms and conditions! Mate says 'excuse you, your terms and conditions state that all firearms auctions and sales must comply with the requirements of the Arms Act...' - which is where that argument descended into a idiot's guide to achieving not a lot. I think he contacted the Police Arms guys to let them know, and ended up finally getting bank details off the buyer to refund the payment. I'm not too sure of the finer points of the rest of how that ended, but it was as dodgy as F...

Basically, that's a long winded way of saying Trademe no longer has a customer from me mate and quite right from him to - total shit show from them and any system of theirs is a crap shoot at the best of times. I know of another guy who couldn't use trademe for a while as his licence number failed the check tool for a while. They told him he wasn't licenced, he's looking at his licence going huh? Smack me head...

I sold an air rifle on trade me a while ago, I stated "Pick up only" as I didn't want postage hassles but didn't tick the appropriate box. The winner demanded I send it and he deemed that a webcam photo of him holding his drivers licence was enough proof of age. I wasn't sure as there is no proof that it wasn't a random person and was in the process of checking with the arms officer weather a permit was required. Within 2 days TM was on the phone to me demanding that I complete the trade, they wouldn't listen to reason until I told them that all my calls are recorded and I'll be emailing the police with the recording and a statement that they are pushing FA sales without following procedure. Back then even the AO didn't have a firm answer weather or not a permit was required for an air rifle purchase.

Originally Posted by No good names left

I sold an air rifle on trade me a while ago, I stated "Pick up only" as I didn't want postage hassles but didn't tick the appropriate box. The winner demanded I send it and he deemed that a webcam photo of him holding his drivers licence was enough proof of age. I wasn't sure as there is no proof that it wasn't a random person and was in the process of checking with the arms officer weather a permit was required. Within 2 days TM was on the phone to me demanding that I complete the trade, they wouldn't listen to reason until I told them that all my calls are recorded and I'll be emailing the police with the recording and a statement that they are pushing FA sales without following procedure. Back then even the AO didn't have a firm answer weather or not a permit was required for an air rifle purchase.

All you need is a legal verification that they are over 18. A police form can be used for that and I have done that in the past. Make sure the DOB is on it and the form if ID that is used (usually NZDL or passport) However a photocopy of their ID, signed by a JP or sworn officer is (or used to be) acceptable too. What you are looking for is proof that they are over 18. The officer or JP signing it is stating that the buyer has proven to them (on your behalf) that they are over 18. The actual piece of paper that is signed must then be posted to you. That way you can see the stamp and signature is real and not a scanned copy. A scan and email is not acceptable as these are easy to alter digitally and impossible for you to verify they are real. If you have further doubts you are still entitled to refuse to complete the transaction and refund the money paid.

Originally Posted by No good names left

I sold an air rifle on trade me a while ago, I stated "Pick up only" as I didn't want postage hassles but didn't tick the appropriate box. The winner demanded I send it and he deemed that a webcam photo of him holding his drivers licence was enough proof of age. I wasn't sure as there is no proof that it wasn't a random person and was in the process of checking with the arms officer weather a permit was required. Within 2 days TM was on the phone to me demanding that I complete the trade, they wouldn't listen to reason until I told them that all my calls are recorded and I'll be emailing the police with the recording and a statement that they are pushing FA sales without following procedure. Back then even the AO didn't have a firm answer weather or not a permit was required for an air rifle purchase.

I add a line to anything I sell online now (auction or otherwise) that states that Police and age requirements must be met. Reason for that is that the sellers terms and conditions listed in the auction description are the legal 'sellers terms of sale' and if there's an issue that goes to legal side it's there in black and white not buried in the site terms and conditions. Thats after the drama my mate had with his auction sale...