Thread: Feeling sick after reading this !

Originally Posted by No.3

Haven't read the article, paywall etc etc.

But the comment about a registry stopping straw buying is pure wishful thinking, there is zero mechanism or even enough manpower to review the firearms licence holders to actually ensure what is registered is actually there.

That is true, I guess the police are looking at recovered firearms will close the loop in that they will able to identify where they came from. But again how easy is it to grind off a serial number.

If I were the police I would be taking gun sales -> serials -> LFAOs inventories, looking at who owned a lot more weapons than average and doing random audits. The guy above had purchased ~70 firearms - people like that would stand out like a ducks nuts.

There is an opportunity for the police to run it right and make a useful tool. But who the f**k am I kidding...

Originally Posted by vulcannz

That is true, I guess the police are looking at recovered firearms will close the loop in that they will able to identify where they came from. But again how easy is it to grind off a serial number.

If I were the police I would be taking gun sales -> serials -> LFAOs inventories, looking at who owned a lot more weapons than average and doing random audits. The guy above had purchased ~70 firearms - people like that would stand out like a ducks nuts.

There is an opportunity for the police to run it right and make a useful tool. But who the f**k am I kidding...

Unfortunately what these articles never state (and it is not just firearms they do this to) the police do not point out that it is usually the gunshop that brings the situation to the police. Some years ago, one of the casinos came under fire from the media regarding a money laundering operation. With all the various media outlets, NOT ONE OF THEM INCLUDING THE POLICE pointed out that it was ONLY picked up because the casino involved had AML/CFT procedures in place that flagged the operation as suspicious and they bought it to the attention of the Police and assisted with the Police to investigate it.....If it had not been for the Casino doing that, it would never have been identified, and again- thanks to the media- it was painted as the Casinos fault...Another of the straw buyers bought to Police attention was due to the fact he had purchased several identical firearms from the same retailer and that retailer had notified the Police that there was something not quite right there.....

Originally Posted by vulcannz

That is true, I guess the police are looking at recovered firearms will close the loop in that they will able to identify where they came from. But again how easy is it to grind off a serial number.

If I were the police I would be taking gun sales -> serials -> LFAOs inventories, looking at who owned a lot more weapons than average and doing random audits. The guy above had purchased ~70 firearms - people like that would stand out like a ducks nuts.

There is an opportunity for the police to run it right and make a useful tool. But who the f**k am I kidding...

Exactly, some US states run a 'record book' system that you are responsible for recording all of your transactions in similar to a dealer's logbook, and that must be retained in a secure area with a transfer permit system. Easy for most - a lot more work for others but at least it records every transaction and what you should have without the cost of a central computer and all it's weaknesses and faults. The extra money saved can go into boots on the ground rather than faceless minions with no responsibility.

How much harder than forging a Drivers Licence would it be to forge a FAL?

Rules are made for the guidance of the wise,the obeyance of the fool!
As fast as the first man writes the law ,the second will find the loopholes.
Had CUDDLES COSTER been a racehorse,I wouldnt be paying out melbourne cup starting fees.
TIS THE OLD DOG WHO WALKS THE FOOTPATH,PUPS RUN ON THE STREET!
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Originally Posted by vulcannz

Yeah nah, I still disagree. If you read the article as a whole, it's not that way. If you take a few clips out without context of the rest of the article you can make it look that way, which the bfd have done.

There was also this guy: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...g-guns-to-gang so Police aren't imagining things.

There was something in news a year or two ago about someone on the north shore getting served a warrant and two ARs being found. May have been the guy in question. If any cnut onsells to unlicenced people they deserve what's coming. The only thing that surprised me was the judge handing down such a weak sentence.

That's going to be tried out I would say. Be interesting to see if the system is able to prevent that.

The Grond case is interesting: he has an "A" licence and a "C" endorsement. He was only outed as a result of search warrants on a property he was involved with. He didn't hand in 2 MSSAs during the confiscation because he felt the "compensation" paid would be inadequate. Police Superintendent Wilson acknowledges the risk of a register being vulnerable to hacking, and feels "under pressure" as a result (he possibly doesn't agree with it?) and concedes it will lead to criminals sourcing firearms through "gun smuggling BY SEA". Grond's sentence for supplying to gangs? 6 months community detention, 250 hours community work, as the judge acknowledged Grond's life "was in turmoil" at the time of offending". FFS!

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

The Grond case is interesting: he has an "A" licence and a "C" endorsement. He was only outed as a result of search warrants on a property he was involved with. He didn't hand in 2 MSSAs during the confiscation because he felt the "compensation" paid would be inadequate. Police Superintendent Wilson acknowledges the risk of a register being vulnerable to hacking, and feels "under pressure" as a result (he possibly doesn't agree with it?) and concedes it will lead to criminals sourcing firearms through "gun smuggling BY SEA". Grond's sentence for supplying to gangs? 6 months community detention, 250 hours community work, as the judge acknowledged Grond's life "was in turmoil" at the time of offending". FFS!

And LFAO's lives and pastimes are in turmoil because of political ineptitude (AKA dumbshittery) so does that mean they will go less hard on us??? I doubt it.But I figured out why the Police Hierachy does not like LFAO's: We have a lower charge / conviction rate than their own staff and that makes them look bad...

Well that sounds like a soggy bus ticket if ever I heard of one.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Well that sounds like a soggy bus ticket if ever I heard of one.

The guy will be out in 2, probably made $200K + so well worth it.