Thread: Feeling sick after reading this !

Haven't read the article, paywall etc etc.

But the comment about a registry stopping straw buying is pure wishful thinking, there is zero mechanism or even enough manpower to review the firearms licence holders to actually ensure what is registered is actually there. And at the 5yr mark for first renewal or the 10yr mark for subsequent renewals it's just too damn late and few and far between the 240,000 reviews to mean a damn. What it will mean is that the straw buyer thing becomes a case of either the person the gangs are making get the licence knows that they are up for a headbutt and the cost of that is priced into the gang's reimbursement for services rendered or there will be a trend of robberies at the 4.5 year or the 9.5 year mark. That and a quick whip over with a stolen angle grinder removing the numbers and bob's your gender-not-specified relative of questionable origins. Still of the opinion that if the point of the exercise was better regime control that opportunity has already been lost by not putting all semi's onto E-cat instead of doing a confiscation which arguably only recovered a percentage of the fleet. The remainder will not come back out of the ether with these sorts of mad schemes at foot.

How much harder than forging a Drivers Licence would it be to forge a FAL?

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Yet another guy that would not have had a FAL if a diligent background check had been conducted.

Absolutely agree, and as per my post above so does the cop in article...

The project is being led by Superintendent Richard Wilson, who concedes that in the past the police have not fulfilled their obligations under the Arms Act as effectively as they should.

Originally Posted by No.3

Haven't read the article, paywall etc etc.

But the comment about a registry stopping straw buying is pure wishful thinking, there is zero mechanism or even enough manpower to review the firearms licence holders to actually ensure what is registered is actually there.

That is true, I guess the police are looking at recovered firearms will close the loop in that they will able to identify where they came from. But again how easy is it to grind off a serial number.

If I were the police I would be taking gun sales -> serials -> LFAOs inventories, looking at who owned a lot more weapons than average and doing random audits. The guy above had purchased ~70 firearms - people like that would stand out like a ducks nuts.

There is an opportunity for the police to run it right and make a useful tool. But who the f**k am I kidding...

Originally Posted by vulcannz

That is true, I guess the police are looking at recovered firearms will close the loop in that they will able to identify where they came from. But again how easy is it to grind off a serial number.

If I were the police I would be taking gun sales -> serials -> LFAOs inventories, looking at who owned a lot more weapons than average and doing random audits. The guy above had purchased ~70 firearms - people like that would stand out like a ducks nuts.

There is an opportunity for the police to run it right and make a useful tool. But who the f**k am I kidding...

Unfortunately what these articles never state (and it is not just firearms they do this to) the police do not point out that it is usually the gunshop that brings the situation to the police. Some years ago, one of the casinos came under fire from the media regarding a money laundering operation. With all the various media outlets, NOT ONE OF THEM INCLUDING THE POLICE pointed out that it was ONLY picked up because the casino involved had AML/CFT procedures in place that flagged the operation as suspicious and they bought it to the attention of the Police and assisted with the Police to investigate it.....If it had not been for the Casino doing that, it would never have been identified, and again- thanks to the media- it was painted as the Casinos fault...Another of the straw buyers bought to Police attention was due to the fact he had purchased several identical firearms from the same retailer and that retailer had notified the Police that there was something not quite right there.....

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Quote Originally Posted by Finnwolf View Post
Yet another guy that would not have had a FAL if a diligent background check had been conducted.
Absolutely agree, and as per my post above so does the cop in article...

The project is being led by Superintendent Richard Wilson, who concedes that in the past the police have not fulfilled their obligations under the Arms Act as effectively as they should.Absolutely agree, and as per my post above so does the cop in article...

I think that comment from Mr Wilson is overly generous as well, if the reports I saw were correct not only were the Police not fulfilling their obligations - they were actively siphoning the funds off for their pet projects that each Policing district was trying to promote. It was seen as a easy low risk source of extra funding, and it bit. Now they are trying to make out it's everyone else's problem but theirs and trying to recover extra funding for it.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

That is true, I guess the police are looking at recovered firearms will close the loop in that they will able to identify where they came from. But again how easy is it to grind off a serial number.

If I were the police I would be taking gun sales -> serials -> LFAOs inventories, looking at who owned a lot more weapons than average and doing random audits. The guy above had purchased ~70 firearms - people like that would stand out like a ducks nuts.

There is an opportunity for the police to run it right and make a useful tool. But who the f**k am I kidding...

Exactly, some US states run a 'record book' system that you are responsible for recording all of your transactions in similar to a dealer's logbook, and that must be retained in a secure area with a transfer permit system. Easy for most - a lot more work for others but at least it records every transaction and what you should have without the cost of a central computer and all it's weaknesses and faults. The extra money saved can go into boots on the ground rather than faceless minions with no responsibility.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Yeah nah, I still disagree. If you read the article as a whole, it's not that way. If you take a few clips out without context of the rest of the article you can make it look that way, which the bfd have done.

There was also this guy: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...g-guns-to-gang so Police aren't imagining things.

There was something in news a year or two ago about someone on the north shore getting served a warrant and two ARs being found. May have been the guy in question. If any cnut onsells to unlicenced people they deserve what's coming. The only thing that surprised me was the judge handing down such a weak sentence.

That's going to be tried out I would say. Be interesting to see if the system is able to prevent that.

The Grond case is interesting: he has an "A" licence and a "C" endorsement. He was only outed as a result of search warrants on a property he was involved with. He didn't hand in 2 MSSAs during the confiscation because he felt the "compensation" paid would be inadequate. Police Superintendent Wilson acknowledges the risk of a register being vulnerable to hacking, and feels "under pressure" as a result (he possibly doesn't agree with it?) and concedes it will lead to criminals sourcing firearms through "gun smuggling BY SEA". Grond's sentence for supplying to gangs? 6 months community detention, 250 hours community work, as the judge acknowledged Grond's life "was in turmoil" at the time of offending". FFS!

Well that sounds like a soggy bus ticket if ever I heard of one.

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

The Grond case is interesting: he has an "A" licence and a "C" endorsement. He was only outed as a result of search warrants on a property he was involved with. He didn't hand in 2 MSSAs during the confiscation because he felt the "compensation" paid would be inadequate. Police Superintendent Wilson acknowledges the risk of a register being vulnerable to hacking, and feels "under pressure" as a result (he possibly doesn't agree with it?) and concedes it will lead to criminals sourcing firearms through "gun smuggling BY SEA". Grond's sentence for supplying to gangs? 6 months community detention, 250 hours community work, as the judge acknowledged Grond's life "was in turmoil" at the time of offending". FFS!

And LFAO's lives and pastimes are in turmoil because of political ineptitude (AKA dumbshittery) so does that mean they will go less hard on us??? I doubt it.But I figured out why the Police Hierachy does not like LFAO's: We have a lower charge / conviction rate than their own staff and that makes them look bad...

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Yeah nah, I still disagree. If you read the article as a whole, it's not that way. If you take a few clips out without context of the rest of the article you can make it look that way, which the bfd have done.

There was also this guy: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...g-guns-to-gang so Police aren't imagining things.

And he's you answer "Edwards had a firearms licence, despite having 53 convictions in Australia." Police failure to do their job.

Bet the other (if they exist) is similar.

Vulcannz do YOU work for the Police in any way shape or form?

Originally Posted by Rushy

Well that sounds like a soggy bus ticket if ever I heard of one.

The guy will be out in 2, probably made $200K + so well worth it.