Thread: Firearm licencing

Originally Posted by cambo

Here's the new FAL application and renewal forms.....All 35 of them....

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...ation-form.pdf

What I find interesting is they will not process the application if you don't list your doctor. (Not the clinic you go to but the individual doctor)

How many people don't actually have a doctor? I know I have never had a doctor...
In that case people have to go enroll with a doctor just to get their application processed?

Seems unlikely to help them assess if you are fit and proper....unless it is less to assess you at your application point and more of a way to keep tabs on people over the years.

My favorite is section L, name all the people that may have free unsupervised access to my home?

Hmm, I would have thought the Police would be better at naming all the local burglers than me?

Originally Posted by FourtyFour

My favorite is section L, name all the people that may have free unsupervised access to my home?

Hmm, I would have thought the Police would be better at naming all the local burglers than me?

youll need the names of the entire police force as they can have access to your home

so if you employ a cleaning agency you need to have the cleaners vetted ?

Originally Posted by MrMatu

What I find interesting is they will not process the application if you don't list your doctor. (Not the clinic you go to but the individual doctor)

How many people don't actually have a doctor? I know I have never had a doctor...
In that case people have to go enroll with a doctor just to get their application processed?

Seems unlikely to help them assess if you are fit and proper....unless it is less to assess you at your application point and more of a way to keep tabs on people over the years.

isn't that something they wanted added to the vetting laws during the last round of ' how else can we screw over LFAO's ' . I didn't think that is law in any way or form , just a thing they wanted to add , and your license would then also hinge on your doc's personal opinion of you and your medical history.
Is this another of these items that are not law that the police are trying to pass off as law?
If I had the spare coin I would be talking to a lawyer about that one. And I also don't have a doctor. I just see whoever is available if I ever need one.

Originally Posted by mikee

Why are they not sure they issued the original to the right person?? Surely you existing FAL should be enough to prove ID

Thats what i thought @mikee....i showed my existing legal FAL to the police officer at the station, but that is NOT one of the three required for 'renewal'.....makes no logical sense to me!!!!!

they took photocopies of my Passport & Drivers licence (photo ID), and a credit card

Originally Posted by Scouser

Thats what i thought @mikee....i showed my existing legal FAL to the police officer at the station, but that is NOT one of the three required for 'renewal'.....makes no logical sense to me!!!!!

they took photocopies of my Passport & Drivers licence (photo ID), and a credit card

Would not trust them (or anyone else ) with photocopy of my credit card

I wonder if police have already had a preview of the Royal Commissions findings, perhaps arse covering in advance of public release. Surely it will reveal their incompetence over Tarrants licence; so now they are going to extremes.

Originally Posted by Woody

I wonder if police have already had a preview of the Royal Commissions findings, perhaps arse covering in advance of public release. Surely it will reveal their incompetence over Tarrants licence; so now they are going to extremes.

yea to achieve what exactly

To give everyone the shits of course. Then Nash can poke his nose in it.

If anyone reads the Arms Regulations ( that is the working rules for the Arms Act ), none of these new requests are covered or even listed.
These new requirements are therefore very suspect legally, if not down right illegal.
Someone needs to challenge them in court.
Maybe Colfo if they could be bothered doing anything.......

Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 25 June 2020) 15 Supply of particulars for firearms licence – New Zealand Legislation

Originally Posted by cambo

If anyone reads the Arms Regulations ( that is the working rules for the Arms Act ), none of these new requests are covered or even listed.
These new requirements are therefore very suspect legally, if not down right illegal.
Someone needs to challenge them in court.
Maybe Colfo if they could be bothered doing anything.......

Or perhaps a new MP could ask a question or two to the Police Minister on this issue.

It needs to be removed from police control and should all be done to the letter of the law ... Not the police version of what they try and pass off as law or there own wishlist.

Police are now also using uniformed officers to do vetting as they can't catch up with the backlog of renewals let alone new applications.
Vettors also been instructed to collect serial numbers