Thread: Firearm licencing

Originally Posted by BSA

Just released on the NZ Police website under Publications & Statistics. The guidelines to Health Practitioners for the new Licencing Regime.
https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...s-act-1983.pdf

Interesting and my thanks for the link

I suspect that the shifting of Constable Plod's Monkey from his shoulder onto our Doctor is going to go down "like a bucket of cold sick."

And rightly so.

I foresee a major problem arising with the reissue of my firearms license currently under application. Having been fortunate enough to enjoy extremely good health throughout my lifetime, I simply do not have a doctor.

Originally Posted by Rushy

I foresee a major problem arising with the reissue of my firearms license currently under application.....................I simply do not have a doctor.

@Rushy Lucky OLD you :>)

I recommend that you bite the bullet and play Constable Plod's silly little game and make an appointment with a Doctor for a check up. Blood pressure, blood samples for other nasties INCLUDING unless you have that attended to already., prostrate.

Mention to the Doc that Constable Plod will probably be contacting him and then there will be no problems for you. ....unless you have one of the dreaded isssues 1 to 11 outlined in

https://tinyurl.com/y3sd8ge6

Plod will get a clean report and if he doesn't like it, then his issue is with the Doctor, not you. He can't block you.

Sooo... what ever happened to Doctor / Patient confidentiality?

Originally Posted by Fawls

Sooo... what ever happened to Doctor / Patient confidentiality?

I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him.

It could be argued and I'm sure it will, that they already report on the "health" of their patients in respect of suitability to have a car, truck,passenger service, aircraft, boating etc licence. However, that is a comparison of the patient to meeting a series of clearly established and long accepted standards.

I do not see all of the 11 commandments handed down from The Mount by Plod

https://tinyurl.com/y3sd8ge6

falling within the areas which the Medical Fraternity have been willing to now, to certify, let alone send Plod an email or telephone him.

I also find it disgusting that Plod expects the Medical Fraternity to commit themselves to : do as I say" and then tries to exempt himself from any flow on effect of them doing so by stating.....

"Practitioners are encouraged to consult with otherhealth practitioners involved in the patient’s care andseek medicolegal advice from their insurer or indemnifierif they desire. Any decisions, and the reasons for them,should be carefully documented on the clinical record incase the practitioner(s) are subsequently called upon tojustify their actions."

Finally, I imagine that any information or secret made known to the Doctor by their patient would be non transferable to an outside party because of their Hippocratic oath on confidentiality .

" Medical ConfidentialityConfidentiality is commonly applied to conversations between doctors and patients. Legal protections prevent physicians from revealing certain discussions with patients, even under oath in court. This physician-patient privilege only applies to secrets shared between physician and patient during the course of providing medical care.


The rule dates back to at least the Hippocratic Oath, which reads: Whatever, in connection with my professional service, or not in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret.


Traditionally, medical ethics has viewed the duty of confidentiality as a relatively non-negotiable tenet of medical practice.



A link to the "General terms of their Oath. https://tinyurl.com/y2srxm8y

I have no knowledge of how much it may differ here but point out that I suspect that it may apply only to criminal and court appearance situations...........Not that appeals against the non issue of a FAL would or would not be covered and end with what I started by saying.

"I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him."

Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him.

....

"Practitioners are encouraged to consult with otherhealth practitioners involved in the patient’s care andseek medicolegal advice from their insurer or indemnifier if they desire. Any decisions, and the reasons for them,should be carefully documented on the clinical record incase the practitioner(s) are subsequently called upon tojustify their actions."

Actually that screams to me that the police are implying if the doctor says someone is fit for a firearm then they subsequently say kill someone then the police may hold the doctor liable.

If I were a doctor I would refuse to provide any information, which will likely mean people won't get licenses.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

.............If I were a doctor I would refuse to provide any information, which will likely mean people won't get licenses.

finalyapproved 10 months and 9 days free at last

Put my boys application in.....Lets see how long it takes.
The interviews should be short as we've all been interviewed already, when I did my renewal, and vetted as fit and proper

Originally Posted by cambo

Put my boys application in.....Lets see how long it takes.
The interviews should be short as we've all been interviewed already, when I did my renewal, and vetted as fit and proper

dont count on it bieng short

Originally Posted by gsp follower

dont count on it bieng short

Oh I know.....
I've probably been flagged as well after my renewal process lol

Seems the poor old Po Po are a little bit snowed under.............
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123...m-applications
it seems they had no issue with issuing a licence in a speedy fashion to "he who shall not be named" but the rest of us don't get the same speedy service.
In fact the only speedy thing we got was BLAMED for their incompetitance

Originally Posted by mikee

Seems the poor old Po Po are a little bit snowed under.............
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123...m-applications
it seems they had no issue with issuing a licence in a speedy fashion to "he who shall not be named" but the rest of us don't get the same speedy service.
In fact the only speedy thing we got was BLAMED for their incompetitance

247 Days for a new application and 147 for a renewal?
That's a disgustingly poor level of service.
When did New Zealanders "she'll be right" turn into "whatever"?


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Time to bombard your local MPs to get them to start asking questions.
About time the FA administration is removed from the police!

I put my renewal in BEFORE lockdown 1. Been interviewed, still waiting. If you paid for this service, you would be complaining. Oh wait, we do pay for this..