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    Just released on the NZ Police website under Publications & Statistics. The guidelines to Health Practitioners for the new Licencing Regime.
    https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...s-act-1983.pdf
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    I foresee a major problem arising with the reissue of my firearms license currently under application. Having been fortunate enough to enjoy extremely good health throughout my lifetime, I simply do not have a doctor.
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushy View Post
    I foresee a major problem arising with the reissue of my firearms license currently under application.....................I simply do not have a doctor.
    @Rushy Lucky OLD you :>)

    I recommend that you bite the bullet and play Constable Plod's silly little game and make an appointment with a Doctor for a check up. Blood pressure, blood samples for other nasties INCLUDING unless you have that attended to already., prostrate.

    Mention to the Doc that Constable Plod will probably be contacting him and then there will be no problems for you. ....unless you have one of the dreaded isssues 1 to 11 outlined in

    https://tinyurl.com/y3sd8ge6

    Plod will get a clean report and if he doesn't like it, then his issue is with the Doctor, not you. He can't block you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSA View Post
    Just released on the NZ Police website under Publications & Statistics. The guidelines to Health Practitioners for the new Licencing Regime.
    https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...s-act-1983.pdf
    Interesting and my thanks for the link

    I suspect that the shifting of Constable Plod's Monkey from his shoulder onto our Doctor is going to go down "like a bucket of cold sick."

    And rightly so.
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    Sooo... what ever happened to Doctor / Patient confidentiality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawls View Post
    Sooo... what ever happened to Doctor / Patient confidentiality?
    I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him.

    It could be argued and I'm sure it will, that they already report on the "health" of their patients in respect of suitability to have a car, truck,passenger service, aircraft, boating etc licence. However, that is a comparison of the patient to meeting a series of clearly established and long accepted standards.

    I do not see all of the 11 commandments handed down from The Mount by Plod

    https://tinyurl.com/y3sd8ge6

    falling within the areas which the Medical Fraternity have been willing to now, to certify, let alone send Plod an email or telephone him.

    I also find it disgusting that Plod expects the Medical Fraternity to commit themselves to : do as I say" and then tries to exempt himself from any flow on effect of them doing so by stating.....

    "Practitioners are encouraged to consult with otherhealth practitioners involved in the patient’s care andseek medicolegal advice from their insurer or indemnifierif they desire. Any decisions, and the reasons for them,should be carefully documented on the clinical record incase the practitioner(s) are subsequently called upon tojustify their actions."

    Finally, I imagine that any information or secret made known to the Doctor by their patient would be non transferable to an outside party because of their Hippocratic oath on confidentiality .

    " Medical ConfidentialityConfidentiality is commonly applied to conversations between doctors and patients. Legal protections prevent physicians from revealing certain discussions with patients, even under oath in court. This physician-patient privilege only applies to secrets shared between physician and patient during the course of providing medical care.


    The rule dates back to at least the Hippocratic Oath, which reads: Whatever, in connection with my professional service, or not in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret.


    Traditionally, medical ethics has viewed the duty of confidentiality as a relatively non-negotiable tenet of medical practice.



    A link to the "General terms of their Oath. https://tinyurl.com/y2srxm8y

    I have no knowledge of how much it may differ here but point out that I suspect that it may apply only to criminal and court appearance situations...........Not that appeals against the non issue of a FAL would or would not be covered and end with what I started by saying.

    "I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper View Post
    I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him.

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    "Practitioners are encouraged to consult with otherhealth practitioners involved in the patient’s care andseek medicolegal advice from their insurer or indemnifier if they desire. Any decisions, and the reasons for them,should be carefully documented on the clinical record incase the practitioner(s) are subsequently called upon tojustify their actions."
    Actually that screams to me that the police are implying if the doctor says someone is fit for a firearm then they subsequently say kill someone then the police may hold the doctor liable.

    If I were a doctor I would refuse to provide any information, which will likely mean people won't get licenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcannz View Post
    .............If I were a doctor I would refuse to provide any information, which will likely mean people won't get licenses.
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    finalyapproved 10 months and 9 days free at last
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    OMG I applied in July, attended the safety program in Sept and still waiting until now. Just aware about the new application form do we need to fill in the new application form in order to proceed?

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakka_ranger View Post
    do we need to fill in the new application form in order to proceed.
    In your instance that should not be necessary. There is a considerable delay caused by the backlog that was caused during the lockdown period when vetting officers could not conduct interviews. Also welcome to the forum.
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
    Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
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    Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

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    Put my boys application in.....Lets see how long it takes.
    The interviews should be short as we've all been interviewed already, when I did my renewal, and vetted as fit and proper
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    Quote Originally Posted by cambo View Post
    Put my boys application in.....Lets see how long it takes.
    The interviews should be short as we've all been interviewed already, when I did my renewal, and vetted as fit and proper
    dont count on it bieng short

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakka_ranger View Post
    OMG I applied in July, attended the safety program in Sept and still waiting until now. Just aware about the new application form do we need to fill in the new application form in order to proceed?

    Thank you.
    I hope Rushy is right, but I'm not far off where you started and have just been asked this week to fill in the new form. Original application made in August and safety course completed in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsp follower View Post
    dont count on it bieng short
    Oh I know.....
    I've probably been flagged as well after my renewal process lol
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