Thread: Firearm Storage Requirements

If you have another safe at a bach are you required to inform the local arms officer that it is there? The firearms would only be there when on holiday.

Common sense would say that you keep your firearms with you and store them in an appropriate safe in your bach too - E-cat firearms in an E-cat safe; A-cat firearms in an A-cat safe, etc

The thing I'm having trouble with is keeping an E-cat safe in my tent when I go out hunting

I think I need a bigger tent and that thing is getting heavy

Originally Posted by Ayejay

If you have another safe at a bach are you required to inform the local arms officer that it is there? The firearms would only be there when on holiday.

Un-attended vehicle not out of view. So if its locked while in the petrol station in full view of you all the time I dont see an issue. There will be a camera and you can ring the police immediately from safety. I mean if you are stopped at a zebra crossing and someone pulls open the door and takes out the gun what exactly can you do?

Originally Posted by Mauser308

I've often wondered how the constabulary get on when leaving a vehicle unattended. After all, their place of work is said vehicle, and they store the tools of the trade in it. There's an unanswered question here as to the application of the law on firearms storage in vehicles, warrant from the queen be damned.

If it's good enough for them to store their tools inside a specially designed and secured and locked storage container securely fixed to the vehicle, why can't the rest of us get approval to do it? Would make life a damn sight easier on long, multi-hour trips especially if you are say, hopping the divide between the islands and parking on the ferry etc.

Aussie has it, as well as several other jurisdictions and it just seems to work in those.

The Police are exempt from the Arms Act if I recall correctly, however the lock boxes in the vehicles are very secure.

Originally Posted by Mauser308

I've often wondered how the constabulary get on when leaving a vehicle unattended. After all, their place of work is said vehicle, and they store the tools of the trade in it. There's an unanswered question here as to the application of the law on firearms storage in vehicles, warrant from the queen be damned.

Police secure their firearms in a lock box. Regardless, in the execution of their duties they have a lot more free range than the public, from using a cellphone to driving above the speed limit. If they break those limits they are prosecuted, but comparing them to the general public activities is a losing battle.

Also as regards Pelican cases there are some really cheap and not too shabby knock-off cases going at places like Super Cheap Auto and the like

A chain around the seat and that buys you 5mins against an opportunist thief

My interpretation of the law regarding the leaving of a firearm in an unattended vehicle is:

You must keep your firearm with you at all time, even if you need to go into a bank, or a restaurant, supermarket or wherever.

You must not pass that firearm to a third party unless they are a firearm license holder

If it is an E cat firearm, you cannot let anyone be in possession of it, unless they have a dealers license.

This strictly follows the letter of the law. However, the letter of the law is open to interpretation until the existence of case law. Has anyone been prosecuted for leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle? If so, what were the circumstances, and what was the outcome? A magistrate / jury will look at each case individually. Someone leaving a rifle on their front seat whilst ducking into a dairy to buy some fags (settle down you sickos ), will be treated differently to someone who conceals their firearm whilst doing some banking. But the case law will set the legal precedent for either case. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The above post, with the line " you must keep your firearm with you at all times, even if you go into a bank"

Can you imagine waltzing into the bank with an ar15 on your back !!!!
men in black overalls would be all over you.

Yeah pretty sure the FAL would be revoked for just being a fucking idiot

Originally Posted by Yukon

My interpretation of the law regarding the leaving of a firearm in an unattended vehicle is:

You must keep your firearm with you at all time, even if you need to go into a bank, or a restaurant, supermarket or wherever..

Arms Act 1983

51 Unlawful carriage or possession in public place of firearm, airgun, pistol, ammunition, explosive, or restricted weapon

(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who, except for some lawful purpose,—

(a) carries in a public place; or

(b) has in his possession in any public place— any firearm, airgun, pistol, ammunition, explosive, or restricted weapon.

(2) In any prosecution for an offence against subsection (1), in which it is proved that the defendant was carrying in any public place or had in his possession in any public place any firearm, airgun, pistol, ammunition, explosive, or restricted weapon, the burden of proving the existence of some lawful purpose shall lie on the defendant.

Burden of proof.

That would also depened on the officer at the scene, would it not?
Pot kuck with the right or wrong officer.

Originally Posted by Comfortably_Numb

Burden of proof.

That would also depened on the officer at the scene, would it not?
Pot kuck with the right or wrong officer.

Yes as it's up to the officer whether he presses charges or not.
But there's few town cops who are understanding towards firearms, there's a reason my AO doesn't let them sign our mail order forms.

Originally Posted by Comfortably_Numb

Burden of proof.

That would also depened on the officer at the scene, would it not?
Pot kuck with the right or wrong officer.

I think the burden of proof referred to is after the defendant has been charged with the offense as defined in subsection (1).

Correct.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Police secure their firearms in a lock box. Regardless, in the execution of their duties they have a lot more free range than the public, from using a cellphone to driving above the speed limit. If they break those limits they are prosecuted, but comparing them to the general public activities is a losing battle.

And so it should be...