Thread: Firearms ban in Western aussie

I'm bemused at the individual line in the sand mentality. That's why they are going to win. We only win if enough of us draw the same line. If you don't think that's correct , imagine a disciplined force, with the same objective, approaching a bigger force of individuals all doing there own thing. Don't imagine it. Read up on Roman warfare. When I was younger, we wouldn't have even been having this conversation. In a similar circumstance, there would have been a loud resounding voice of "Screw you, Jimmy".

Yeah but we are not going to win by standing up to them. Do you think they care. I went to the Waikato meeting Chris Bishop held on firearms laws. When someone told him we would not vote for them, he pretty openly said we are not a big enough voting block for that to come into the decision making process compared to those who have no opinion or an anti opinion on guns.
He said he would loose his seat if he supported us.
We "win" by thinking smarter and being proactive.

In the case of this particular cartridge ban, it's difficult to rationalize throwing these under the proverbial bus. They talk about how they can penetrate armour but give no nuance to their justification.

What type of armour? What NIJ protection level? What distance? Bare plate or layered? 17hmr can penetrate soft armour panels. Does that need to go too?

It's all just muh feelings and because they can.

case in point.....


now its ok to laugh your ass off at NZDA one breath and say we should all stick together in the next.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

case in point.....


now its ok to laugh your ass off at NZDA one breath and say we should all stick together in the next.

Case in point, everybody was happy to sacrifice e cat shooters to try and save themselves even thought that would never happen, and they were told it wouldn't work.

Now you want sympathy? Now you want to stick together? No, it's a case of those next on the chopping block wanting more voices to defend them after throwing others under the bus.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Case in point, everybody was happy to sacrifice e cat shooters to try and save themselves even thought that would never happen, and they were told it wouldn't work.

Now you want sympathy? Now you want to stick together? No, it's a case of those next on the chopping block wanting more voices to defend them after throwing others under the bus.

who said anyone was HAPPY TO SACRIFICE e cat shooters????????
it was going to happen no matter what the entire shooting community did....and as flyblown has said above,a vast majority of shooting community had seen the shit going on before hand and the anti police spewing out now has been final straw in turning them off listening.
when said eCAT USERS deliberately flouted the rules and supported importers of goods to further pervert said laws,they were shitting in the communal nest
I shall type that out again SHITTING IN THE COMMUNAL NEST.
thrown under bus my arse...collateral damage YES. unfortunate causulty caught in cross fire from kneejerk excuse to forfill predeterminded ajenda YES but the were not in any way thrown under bus but other firearm users.......no more than they ere after aromoana shootings saw law changes to lower magazine capacity and new endorsement category created..... the laws were there to allow these firearm types to be used in responsible manner AND VAST MAJORITY OF FOLKS DID COMPLY....but some didnt and it bit EVERYONE in the arse....and the biting is still going on.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

the anti police spewing out now has been final straw in turning them off listening

That's quite a claim, do you have any evidence to back it up?

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

That's quite a claim, do you have any evidence to back it up?

yes.many discussions with other firearms users/hunters over the last 20 years where you may be surprised to hear,I was advocating for folks to be allowed to use whatever they wanted..... plus PMs with members of this and other forums who had dropped out/off and when asked why they had..answer was always the same,they didnt want to be associated with folks spewing out anti police,anti govt stuff continually one was worried he would loose his job if continued to be member of website.

fit n proper sort of thing.
your FAL, your right to gamble it however you see fit...just dont expect me to see and raise you with my own.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

That's quite a claim, do you have any evidence to back it up?

There probably isn't anything to back the claim up. And I doubt anti-police rhetoric has had a significant impact on their attitude in general. Apart from making them more cynical, and likely wanting to punch a few people in the chops.

A reframe would be "people who spew anti police rhetoric because of gun issues are unlikely to be listened to or taken seriously".

I was at the range here a few years ago with my Molot Vepr. It was my main hunting Rifle at the time.

This guy went on a rant saying they should be banned because it was a " Rambo gun". Well five years later they have been, along with his HK 770 and 10/22.

NZDA has a had quite a clean out in recent years and their advocacy around firearm laws has been pretty solid as of late

Originally Posted by Beavis

NZDA has a had quite a clean out in recent years and their advocacy around firearm laws has been pretty solid as of late

Have realised the writing on the wall perhaps....?

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My areas has been so well bitten that it now has a hole in it.

it has been pointed out my above post may well be unfair...I shall amend my comment to say...... it was actions of SOME MSSA users not Ecat holders that were the issue.....the bending/breaking of rules were being encouraged by a certain retailer and had been done so for such a long time it had almost become accepted as "normal behaviour"
shitting in communal nest.

it is my belief that bashing police actions and threatening to carry out illegal acts is also shitting in communal nest.

ALL people involved in firearms usage no matter what shape of form need to clean up their shit period no exceptions or all will suffer the backlash.

[QUOTE=Micky Duck;1417165]it has been pointed out my above post may well be unfair...I shall amend my comment to say...... it was actions of SOME MSSA users not Ecat holders that were the issue.....the bending/breaking of rules were being encouraged by a certain retailer and had been done so for such a long time it had almost become accepted as "normal behaviour"
shitting in communal nest.

it is my belief that bashing police actions and threatening to carry out illegal acts is also shitting in communal nest.

ALL people involved in firearms usage no matter what shape of form need to clean up their shit period no exceptions or all will suffer the backlash.[/p

Sadly @Micky Duck your last line will never be adhered to by the likes of gang members, the ones with an unknown quantity of firearms and who will never. ‘Clean up their shit’ - and laws aimed at them will affect all law abiding FAL holders as collateral damage.