Thread: Firearms ban in Western aussie

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

Some thing that has always stuck with me was a job I was involved with at Sanitarium years and years ago. It was building a machine to put cards into cereal boxes. The machine replaced a lady who used to sit on the line with a bunch of boxes holding different cards in front of her, and she would put one in each box of cereal as it went past.

She was a lovely person, but I very much doubt that she learned to write computer code when her job disappeared. We have lost thousands of those jobs. We used to build TV's here - now we buy them from China or Vietnam using money borrowed from overseas, and those jobs have gone also.

Anyone bought a NZ made or assembled car lately?

I know that there were inefficiencies in local protected manufacture - I was there. I also know that the thousands and thousands of people in those industries were getting more than a pay check out of them. Intangibles like pride, stability, self reliance, trade skills. Old fashioned stuff.

We didn't just throw the baby out with the bathwater, we hired a foreign contractor to do it and wondered where our middle class went afterwards.

On the other hand, Sir Steven and the Warehouse thank you for your contribution - maybe he could sponsor @mikee to take a day for Morris dancing.

I was listening to discussion on radio about our education system...the ywent on about the bell curve etc and how grades were decided.... PART of the idea behind having a standard to pass,it the bottom 10-15-20% WONT PASS ,therefore they are available to do the mundaine lower skilled/lower mindpower needed jobs (and that isnt meant to sound as patronising as it reads) if everyone was educated up to the highest degree,it would be hard to find someone to ride the rubbish truck and collect the waste,who wants to get up at 3AM to pull tits when could sleep in till nine the nwork behind computer at home....sort of thinking.
we have pretty much always had enough employment oppertunities IF you willing to do hard graft,get your hands dirty
as for institutional unemployment for want of better term, for last 20 years or more,becoming a solo mum has been seen in some places as a carreer option with salery attractive enough if you play the system right...it has some shit longterm/moral/social concequences but it has been an option
growing hooch..ccoking meth..selling same...being mule and carting same have also been regularly discussed as viable option to keep roof over head and food on table. Ive overheard many of those discussions over the years...in fact heard meth cooking discussed in smokoroom just the other night from two fellas on $1300 a week in hand salery!!!!!!
for as long as these other options are seen as an easy way,with little or low chance of serious /dire repercussions if it goes wrong,the young folks will continue to explore them as life pathway
if the alternative is shone in better light (now I cant but help draw similarity to another very old book that mentions the narrow path here) MAYBE just MAYBE we can get ahead of the issues..but boy have we taken this thread a LOOONG way from origonal post.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

I was listening to discussion on radio about our education system...

I was listening to that too. That teacher they had on was quite good. I've had issues with one of my boys post-covid. In the end he dropped out of school. I tried so hard, the school were totally disinterested in helping - they honestly couldn't give a flying f. The teachers are a real mixed bag, there are a couple of good ones but the rest are very average or less. I've done work in a lot of public schools and it's the same across all of them.

Long weekend coming up? You'll find a 'teachers only' day tacked onto it. When I was working with schools (IT work) we'd often do major changes on these days because NO ONE was there. They also have loads of union days, training days and other weird shit.

I think my son struggled because of all the ideological shit being pushed by some teachers like the rainbow community stuff, focus on climate change, sitting in circles singing kumbaya or something (don't laugh... my 2nd son has described this happening).

Simply put our public schools are no longer academic institutions. They see their job now is to indoctrinate kids, and a lot of kids don't like it.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

Some thing that has always stuck with me was a job I was involved with at Sanitarium years and years ago. It was building a machine to put cards into cereal boxes. The machine replaced a lady who used to sit on the line with a bunch of boxes holding different cards in front of her, and she would put one in each box of cereal as it went past.

She was a lovely person, but I very much doubt that she learned to write computer code when her job disappeared. We have lost thousands of those jobs. We used to build TV's here - now we buy them from China or Vietnam using money borrowed from overseas, and those jobs have gone also.

Anyone bought a NZ made or assembled car lately?

I know that there were inefficiencies in local protected manufacture - I was there. I also know that the thousands and thousands of people in those industries were getting more than a pay check out of them. Intangibles like pride, stability, self reliance, trade skills. Old fashioned stuff.

We didn't just throw the baby out with the bathwater, we hired a foreign contractor to do it and wondered where our middle class went afterwards.

On the other hand, Sir Steven and the Warehouse thank you for your contribution - maybe he could sponsor @mikee to take a day for Morris dancing.

yep we made tv's here in nz and they were crap!
spent my entire apprenticeship working on badly made junk

Originally Posted by gonetropo

yep we made tv's here in nz and they were crap!
spent my entire apprenticeship working on badly made junk

Me too. Philips K9, Pye 102,103 and 104s and worst of the lot Bell tvc-1 & 2.
Not to mention the locally made audio products....ooooooooo

Originally Posted by mikee

Me too. Philips K9, Pye 102,103 and 104s and worst of the lot Bell tvc-1 & 2.
Not to mention the locally made audio products....ooooooooo

plinius and pereaux werent bad. the k9 was telefunken at he end of the day. bell,majestic etc was just junk

Originally Posted by gonetropo

plinius and pereaux werent bad. the k9 was telefunken at he end of the day. bell,majestic etc was just junk

My parents had a K9, probably for close to 20 years.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

plinius and pereaux werent bad. the k9 was telefunken at he end of the day. bell,majestic etc was just junk

K9's were awesome.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

yep we made tv's here in nz and they were crap!
spent my entire apprenticeship working on badly made junk

And there is part of the answer.

I build a world class product in Taupo.

I see Larry Ellison's guys making a world class product in Wellsford.

Rocket Lab aren't too bad.

The local made stuff that was rubbish shouldn't have been tolerated - but in someone else's words, we suffered from the tyranny of low expectations.

I think we need to believe that NZ can be more than a country of baristas and bus drivers.

P.s. I'm not equating myself with Larry Ellison. What I'm saying is that we can do as well in the industries that scale to NZ as anyone else, anywhere else.

shoe factory was always touted as low skill job.....not anymore,the school schools and the likes are imported from cheap labour countries and all them local jobs are gone.

Off topic - there's at least one quality stereo speaker manufacturer in NZ https://theophany.co.nz/

but you have missed the point...the constant repairs to crappy TVs kept you busy/employed
without the need to do this...nah dont need to take on apprentice
we used to repair washing machine when it broke down,now we dump it and buy a new one.
axe handle breaks,its cheaper to buy whole new axe than buy a handle,if you can find one and re hang it. two of mine have blue gum crude handles now.

@mikee, you mean like Cambridge Audio gear? My 40 year old amp still goes great!

Sorry to add to this thread so late in the piece. The fact is that the 308 winchester or 7.62x51 is a 1000mtr sniper round. The rest on the WA ban list are more powerful but you need really good glass, thousands of rounds of ammunition to practice with, a good trainer and a range on which to practice. Long range kills exceeding 1000mtrs have all been by highly trained specialists and number less than 25 recorded. We can all own a race car but we will never win a race without the training. Remember the New Zealand police are unarmed, cant shoot well , arn't trained well with firearms, dont have to have a gun licence to carry an assult rifle, love to intimidate people and their representives will willingly lie to get a result. Interesting that the 1200mtr steel match a few years ago was won with a 5.56, prior to the mssa ban.

Originally Posted by husqvarna1900

Sorry to add to this thread so late in the piece. The fact is that the 308 winchester or 7.62x51 is a 1000mtr sniper round. The rest on the WA ban list are more powerful but you need really good glass, thousands of rounds of ammunition to practice with, a good trainer and a range on which to practice. Long range kills exceeding 1000mtrs have all been by highly trained specialists and number less than 25 recorded. We can all own a race car but we will never win a race without the training. Remember the New Zealand police are unarmed, cant shoot well , arn't trained well with firearms, dont have to have a gun licence to carry an assult rifle, love to intimidate people and their representives will willingly lie to get a result. Interesting that the 1200mtr steel match a few years ago was won with a 5.56, prior to the mssa ban.

?????????? OK weirdo, cool first post

Originally Posted by husqvarna1900

Sorry to add to this thread so late in the piece. The fact is that the 308 winchester or 7.62x51 is a 1000mtr sniper round. The rest on the WA ban list are more powerful but you need really good glass, thousands of rounds of ammunition to practice with, a good trainer and a range on which to practice. Long range kills exceeding 1000mtrs have all been by highly trained specialists and number less than 25 recorded. We can all own a race car but we will never win a race without the training. Remember the New Zealand police are unarmed, cant shoot well , arn't trained well with firearms, dont have to have a gun licence to carry an assult rifle, love to intimidate people and their representives will willingly lie to get a result. Interesting that the 1200mtr steel match a few years ago was won with a 5.56, prior to the mssa ban.

Hahaha fuck off you twonk