Thread: Firearms Licence Application Update - 4 October 22

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

I think you're barking up the wrong tree there. The police or more more precisely the AO would want applications completed and out of the way. It has to be done sooner or later anyway; there is no advantage to the police or anyone else by delaying applications on purpose. A referee has to be someone that knows the applicant well for at least two years. You could know someone for 20 years but not know them as well as someone who has only known them for three months.

Then why do they keep doing it?

Do you have some sort of interest to declare here because you are running a whole lot of "yes.but" lines in favour of police when I would say it is clear to most people that police have shit the nest already

Originally Posted by 308

Then why do they keep doing it?

Do you have some sort of interest to declare here because you are running a whole lot of "yes.but" lines in favour of police when I would say it is clear to most people that police have shit the nest already

Interest to declare? What exactly does that mean? Oh, do you want me to bitch and and moan every 5 minutes like you and a few other's do because you and they had a dead loss AO or whoever to deal with in your and their districts? Would that make you feel better about what happened to you? I'm not running any "yes,but" lines in favour of the police or anyone else but clearly there are a lot of conspiracy theories and other nonsense written by certain members on here. I don't believe for one moment that it's some kind of plot by the police to purposely delay firearms applications. What logical purpose does that achieve?

Of course there has been a lot of entirely justified, disgruntled people due to to delays. The delays in many districts in the country probably are due to having police licensing staff that aren't as good as they should be at their job. Doesn't mean they're all like that. Also, I know that there is a major shortage of vetting staff and some AO's. It is also due in a large part to our PM and her penchant for lockdown's when vettor's weren't allowed to work for how long? Or have we have forgotten all about that nightmare already?

Can't complain about the AO in my district, 30 years experience in the job and super efficient; short of vettor's as well. Never ever heard a single complaint about her and I have lived in this area most of my life and know a lot of hunters and shooters. Regardless, it won't make any difference to how the police process firearm applications as to what you, I or anyone else says on this forum. At least over 95% of the firearms licence holders I have asked, have never heard of this H&S website and have no real interest in looking at it.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Interest to declare? What exactly does that mean? Oh, do you want me to bitch and and moan every 5 minutes like you and a few other's do because you and they had a dead loss AO or whoever to deal with in your and their districts? Would that make you feel better about what happened to you? I'm not running any "yes,but" lines in favour of the police or anyone else but clearly there are a lot of conspiracy theories and other nonsense written by certain members on here. I don't believe for one moment that it's some kind of plot by the police to purposely delay firearms applications. What logical purpose does that achieve?

Of course there has been a lot of entirely justified, disgruntled people due to to delays. The delays in many districts in the country probably are due to having police licensing staff that aren't as good as they should be at their job. Doesn't mean they're all like that. Also, I know that there is a major shortage of vetting staff and some AO's. It is also due in a large part to our PM and her penchant for lockdown's when vettor's weren't allowed to work for how long? Or have we have forgotten all about that nightmare already?

Can't complain about the AO in my district, 30 years experience in the job and super efficient; short of vettor's as well. Never ever heard a single complaint about her and I have lived in this area most of my life and know a lot of hunters and shooters. Regardless, it won't make any difference to how the police process firearm applications as to what you, I or anyone else says on this forum. At least over 95% of the firearms licence holders I have asked, have never heard of this H&S website and have no real interest in looking at it.

"I'm all right, Jack"

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

there is no advantage to the police or anyone else by delaying applications on purpose.

Rubbish. Of course there is, when you're under resourced it's a classic way of dealing with things.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Rubbish. Of course there is, when you're under resourced it's a classic way of dealing with things.

You've got it at all figured out then. Good for you then.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

You've got it at all figured out then. Good for you then.

Cheers! It's good to acknowledge when someone is correct

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he was a bit cunty

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Cheers! It's good to acknowledge when someone is correct

I get what you mean now about being under resourced. Sort of like the old cheque is in the mail excuse because there's not enough funds to pay the account thing. Then according to you, every other point of view must be rubbish even if it's based on fact. Interesting perspective, which of course, you're perfectly entitled to. At least that's our democracy for now.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Then according to you, every other point of view must be rubbish even if it's based on fact. Interesting perspective, which of course, you're perfectly entitled to. At least that's our democracy for now.

No, and don't put words in my mouth. I will say I concur with 308s assessment in that the way you are absolutely stretching logic appears to show an interest in defending the Police no matter what. Reminds me of conversations I've heard between Heather DPA and Andrew Coster, with Coster ending up very passive aggressive like yourself.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

No, and don't put words in my mouth. I will say I concur with 308s assessment in that the way you are absolutely stretching logic appears to show an interest in defending the Police no matter what. Reminds me of conversations I've heard between Heather DPA and Andrew Coster, with Coster ending up very passive aggressive like yourself.

I'm the first person to admit that the police firearms staff haven't been up to scratch in many parts of the country and I've said that more than once. I don't work for the police but do know a a few vettor's closely from different areas and have a reasonable idea what's going on. It's the conspiracy theory that the police are out to delay firearms licence renewals on purpose or try and discourage people from applying for a licence that doesn't make any logical sense to me. Firstly, because new firearms licence applications have increased dramatically so the theory clearly hasn't worked there. Secondly, by deliberately making it harder with the intent to discourage people from applying may also have the effect of driving them underground and surely no one including the police would want that. We all know this government is anti firearm and there's no doubt some police in high places who feel the same way.

Coster, passive, aggressive??? You have to be joking.

Anyway, the important thing is that we have to guard our democracy, because it is under threat, from certain woke, PC, socialists who are in power and who think you're allowed to have an opinion, but only if it agrees with their's.

I got my renewed licence 3 months and a couple of days after I sent in the application.
I tried to make it as easy as possible for the police:
Bought a trial copy of acrobat to edit the application document very tidily.
triple checked all data entered including reference number for my speeding ticket
Had a mate whos hunted with me for 40 years take time off work to be at my place for the interview.
Good next of kin referee on site
double checked and made minor upgrades to security.
took annual leave for an afternoon. Total interview and security check time was about 3 hr.

There's also a lot of good (and some pretty average) firearm safety training, tests and videos on line now.

It looks to me as of the "government" is throwing a lot of money at FAL processing now, trying to get it right and doing a good job for the public, who are understandably often frustrated. To be political, they did the same with the buyback and with managing COVID, saving a lot of lives there. This all requires taxpayers money and must annoy those who want less taxes and less government and a death rate like they have in the States.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

To be political, they did the same with the buyback and with managing COVID, saving a lot of lives there. This all requires taxpayers money and must annoy those who want less taxes and less government and a death rate like they have in the States.

Masterful satire. Well done, that man.

This just in https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bill...nces-amendment
No details yet. Maybe too soon.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

This just in https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bill...nces-amendment
No details yet. Maybe too soon.

Yep, just received this from Nicole McKee

After years of pressure, we are pleased to let you know that the Government has announced sweeping new changes to firearms licensing in New Zealand. This is a great result. I want to thank the many of you who have contacted me over the past few years with your insights and feedback. Our continued advocacy has put the pressure on the Government, and we are seeing the outcomes.

The amendment means that licences will remain in effect until new applications are fully processed, so people will no longer be left in limbo as their licence expires while they are waiting to hear about their renewal. To be eligible for this you must apply for renewal before your current license expires.

Renewed licences will also take effect from the date of issue rather than the date of expiry. This will go a long way to gradually crushing the bell curve that exists from the shift from lifetime to 10 yearly firearms licences in 1992. Dealers will also be pleased to know that this new extension will also apply to them.

The amendment also means police can issue notices and documents electronically. ACT is supportive of this on the condition that receipt must be acknowledged. We will monitor this through the Select Committee process and ensure it receives the scrutiny it deserves.

It is fantastic that our dogged advocacy for licensed firearms owners has led to real change. I hope this will be a weight off many peoples’ shoulders who were stressed about the expiration of their licence.

This will create a safer regime where people aren’t forced to relocate firearms when their licences expire, and will mean law-abiding New Zealanders aren’t inconvenienced while trying to do the right thing.

The ACT Party is here to make a difference and bring about real change. We are proud to stand up for New Zealand’s law-abiding firearms community.

yes, I got the same in my email inbox this morning. That sounds like a positive step - and just good common sense.