Firearms Project Community Discussion Sessions: FCAF update

[ebf]

Interesting for what they omitted to mention - like the general mistrust and why dont they muzzle the Police Association President ...

The phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.

If you expect the NZ Police to "muzzle" the Police Association you are going to be in for a long and fruitless wait...

Try to understand what the 2 organizations are there for, and develop (realistic and workable) strategies for dealing with them...

[Jexla]

The phrase "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind.

If you expect the NZ Police to "muzzle" the Police Association you are going to be in for a long and fruitless wait...

Try to understand what the 2 organizations are there for, and develop (realistic and workable) strategies for dealing with them...

Basically the association say what the police themselves cannot be seen to say.

[R93]

My take on it is at least they are making an effort by engaging with the user groups.

Our meeting had 19 attend. I would say the same old stuff was covered and imo I left thinking at least one person in the police wants to get things right for all involved.

It may take a while but I see things for endorsed firearms users improving regarding timings and paperwork.


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[Jexla]

My take on it is at least they are making an effort by engaging with the user groups.

Our meeting had 19 attend. I would say the same old stuff was covered and imo I left thinking at least one person in the police wants to get things right for all involved.

It may take a while but I see things for endorsed firearms users improving regarding timings and paperwork.


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You may be right, however they will continue to increase the number of reasons they use to refuse the applications, which is the REAL issue.
Personally I'd rather an approved application that takes 3 months than a declined one that takes 24 hours, not saying they're direct trade offs, just that the real issues are not being addressed.

[Beaker]

Does COLFO actually do anything?

Just about to renew some subs for the year, and at present they are not getting a cent.....

[Jexla]

Does COLFO actually do anything?

Just about to renew some subs for the year, and at present they are not getting a cent.....

Do you read their news letters/follow their facebook page?

That's the best way to see what they're up to. Up to you to decide if that's something you want to financially support or not.

This is their latest news letter: Colfo News Issue - 3 2018

All COLFO news: News

[Danger Mouse]

I stopped a long time ago. Put money towards R lincoln instead.

[stretch]

Does COLFO actually do anything?

Just about to renew some subs for the year, and at present they are not getting a cent.....

They have a seat at the FCAF table, and have the ear of politicians more than any other group. http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/p...advisory-forum

Take a look at the bullet points on that page as to why certain organisations are invited to represent us.

Membership of the Forum comprises both Police employees and non-Police employees. The non-Police members were selected for their:

broad skills, knowledge and understanding of firearms and issues/legislation relating to firearms
relevant practical experience and networks within the firearms community
ability to represent a diversity of perspectives within the firearms community
personal attributes and ability to work constructively with, and make a contribution to the Forum
being a representative of an incorporated group (who can represent the views of the group rather than their individual view).

While FOUNZ, KGB and NSA are more active in the blogging and social media environment (and they do great work), I imagine Police see them as hostile parties, so they don't get a seat at the table.

They're all fighting the same fight, they just go about it in different, complementary ways.

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[Beavis]

According to police, we (FOUNZ) are "activists".

[oraki]

Aussie when they had to hand them in. Hope it never happens...

[Rushy]

Fuck that is just wrong.

[Feral]

Sorry - COLFO are the invisible consumers of capitation fees extorted from you when you want to be a member of many shooter organisations. If they took a visible stand on firearms issues , stood up publicly to that fool from the Police Association , did anything visible to show why they exist then my view might change , but until that happens I will not pay them to "work" on my behalf , at my expense.

Others views may differ here , of course.

Who do you recommend supporting instead and how?

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[Feral]

I dont recommend you supporting anyone. You have to make that call , based on whats important to you. If COLFO does it for you then I am happy for you.

Fair enough, personally I like to support a few different organisations, with time and / or money, locally and nationally. I think it's important.

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[gonetropo]

was in excess of 100 turn up at the christchurch meeting tonight

[Feral]

was in excess of 100 turn up at the christchurch meeting tonight

That's pretty cool. It's almost as if word has finally got around... That would be the biggest so far?

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