Thread: Firearms Registry Consultation Open

And another one is the Police taking photo's of young maori for whatever reason I'm not sure. Not allowed under privacy rules, you should have heard that fool Cahill. He's completely convinced Police cannot function without cameras and photo's of everyone - I found his argument a little bizarre to be honest. It's found to be against the law to take and retain photo's of random young people and Cahill wants the report and all the complaints withdrawn and Police to continue taking happy snaps despite it being against the law. I think he believes that because it's Police doing it - it makes it OK for them to break the law because they are trying to prevent others from breaking laws and they want to solve crimes? Weird argument TBH fellow.

I found the targeting of specific ethnic groups (Maori) pretty disgusting - I thought we'd gotten past that sort of shit?

Originally Posted by vulcannz

I found the targeting of specific ethnic groups (Maori) pretty disgusting - I thought we'd gotten past that sort of shit?

Nah mate. If Chris Hipkins showed up at Cabinet without his officials having talked to Maori specifically, Willy Jackson and Mahuta would tell him to go away and come back when he had.

Identify your target beyond doubt, because you never miss and I'll be missed

Not only is Cahill an Oxygen thief, he's one of life's germs.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Not only is Cahill an Oxygen thief, he's one of life's germs.

Oh come on say what you really mean, the arsehole has a face that screams “punch the fuck out of me” and I would love the opportunity to oblige. At some stage in the news article / interview he said words to the effect that “Police can’t function correctly without using these tools (cameras)”. Well suck it up buttercup, I can’t function correctly in IPSC 3 gun without my AR15 and Typhoon F12 and even though I was not in breach of any law when using them I had to stop the use of them and give them up. Fucking dweeb.

Originally Posted by No.3

And another one is the Police taking photo's of young maori for whatever reason I'm not sure. Not allowed under privacy rules, you should have heard that fool Cahill. He's completely convinced Police cannot function without cameras and photo's of everyone - I found his argument a little bizarre to be honest. It's found to be against the law to take and retain photo's of random young people and Cahill wants the report and all the complaints withdrawn and Police to continue taking happy snaps despite it being against the law. I think he believes that because it's Police doing it - it makes it OK for them to break the law because they are trying to prevent others from breaking laws and they want to solve crimes? Weird argument TBH fellow.

I suspect there is more to this than we have been told about, there are probably some reasonably implications for the facial recognition 'upgrades' that they were looking at a while back. The one that was an extension of an old program so didn't need any input from the human rights peoples

When do they have to have it running by?

Originally Posted by muzza

COLFO are conspicuous by their absence with advice , I note....

Good point!

BTW There’s an article in today’s Otago Daily Times regarding wife/spouse who is referee for her husband/partner (who is applying for a new/renewal of their FAL) being present while the wife/spouse is being interviewed.

Originally Posted by Doghead

Heaven help us - the amount of information required is detailed.

They expect everyone to update the registry themselves online - I can say "fuck that" - it will be quicker to fill in the forms and make the police update the registry - they then have the responsibilty for keying errors - let them waste their time at the kepboard.

Every temporary transfer of 30 days - well - they best hurry up the licence renewal process or licence holders will be needing to notify thousands of transfers as there licence is not renewed on time. Do that via hardcopy.

The whole exercise looks to be an expensive exercise in time wasting.

Oh - that proposal is not easy reading.

I like your thinking, support them, like they’ve supported us!

I think colfo may be employing the keep your mouth shut and appear an idiot rather than open it and remove all doubt principle. I see they will have a statement guide and legal opinion by the 22nd. I'll reserve judgement till then

So the registry legally requires people to enter information kicking off 24 June 2023.... anyone else here with experience with government IT projects think it'll be up and publicly running by then?

Originally Posted by muzza

COLFO are conspicuous by their absence with advice , I note....

Apparantly they are putting out a guide to filling in the survey on the 22-9 once their lawyers have vetted it. Seen it on their Farcebook page. Also N McKee was at Wellington long distance shoot with Police minister at the weekend both competing.

Did you notice that every time you buy or dispose of a firearm you have to relist again all those you have previously listed?
Nearly all of it seems incongruous and repetative. Very onerous for clubs too. I've completed the 40 pages and two hours on I felt disbelief that this extent of attempted change could occur in NZ. It's improperly seeking a lot more than just a register IMO.

one word to describe it all FUSTERCLUCK

they couldnt even get b or c right in rego, how do they expect this to work?

one word to describe how this will work out: Canada !

Another issue I commented on was joint ownership. Just as in law, my wife jointly owns our house car boat lawnmower etc. We are both LFO's and FAL holders as is our daughter. We use whatever suits at the time. Now what?
Also, if I modify or build a new stock or change a scope mount or recoil pad they propose all sorts of applications and change of description etc for their register! Gee, I do this stuff almost weekly!