Thread: Firearms Registry Consultation Open

Originally Posted by Woody

Did you notice that every time you buy or dispose of a firearm you have to relist again all those you have previously listed?
Nearly all of it seems incongruous and repetative. Very onerous for clubs too. I've completed the 40 pages and two hours on I felt disbelief that this extent of attempted change could occur in NZ. It's improperly seeking a lot more than just a register IMO.

I completed it yesterday and feel the same and made a point as often as possible in the comments about how over the top the detail they are asking for.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

one word to describe it all FUSTERCLUCK

they couldnt even get b or c right in rego, how do they expect this to work?

one word to describe how this will work out: Canada !

Hahaha, that was my closing statement.

"Have a look at how it went for Canada "

Even included a link about the massive cost overrun and inaccuracy of it all.

Told them to spend their time and money on dealing with criminals.

Guys, the overriding theme here seems to be we are in agreement the register will end up as a clusterfuck, because it will contain far too much irrelevant detail, will be prone to data entry errors, will be obscenely expensive to establish and maintain, will be a HUGE administrative burden on police and will not actually solve a crime (the last 2 points were the very reasons the last register was dropped in 1983.

A quick history search shows why registry isn't a good idea

Originally Posted by GDMP

Its happening because those that think there are votes in appearing to be tough on firearms issues but have no idea what they are tampering with have been given a free hand,and there is next to no opposition from the several hundred thousand shooters out there.

Fixed it for you...

Originally Posted by Woody

Another issue I commented on was joint ownership. Just as in law, my wife jointly owns our house car boat lawnmower etc. We are both LFO's and FAL holders as is our daughter. We use whatever suits at the time. Now what?
Also, if I modify or build a new stock or change a scope mount or recoil pad they propose all sorts of applications and change of description etc for their register! Gee, I do this stuff almost weekly!

Good points... Can multiple people have a firearm on their ticket to save on transfer BS?

Originally Posted by No.3

Good points... Can multiple people have a firearm on their ticket to save on transfer BS?

People jointly owning a firearm is a reality. My youngest daughter and I have several B category firearms jointly owned on our endorsements.

Originally Posted by Rushy

People jointly owning a firearm is a reality. My youngest daughter and I have several B category firearms jointly owned on our endorsements.

This is gonna be great. Im going to eat a lot of popcorn watching police fuck this up.

its a fuck up before its even started.
they couldnt register b c or e correctly let alone every single firearm from now on in. hell a mate is still waiting for a license for 18 months and all he want to do is get a 10/22 for a vineyard in otago

I have no issues with the Registry in its self
It’s no Different than Rego on a car you buy a new car you put it in your name….
It also means you have a record of your firearms incase of theft

Things I am worried about are what if the Registry is hacked or leaked
It could be used as a shopping list for the criminals

Is there any catches ie are they going to start asking you to justify everything you own etc etc


The registry it’s self is probably a good thing imo….. as long as the access to the information isn’t abused by the powers that be

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

I have no issues with the Registry in its self
It’s no Different than Rego on a car you buy a new car you put it in your name….
It also means you have a record of your firearms incase of theft

Things I am worried about are what if the Registry is hacked or leaked
It could be used as a shopping list for the criminals

Is there any catches ie are they going to start asking you to justify everything you own etc etc


The registry it’s self is probably a good thing imo….. as long as the access to the information isn’t abused by the powers that be

Of course there are catches and of course they will start to ask for justification for everything that you own
And of course the registry will be abused by the powers that be, why would you think otherwise?

It's not a shopping list for crims and I wish people would stop using this as an argument against the register. If crims knew you had a FAL they would just figure out what they want to steal once they get there, there is no selectivity to it.

It is however a CONFISCATION list for the police/government.
They'll start with some unusual and low volume firearms because "it only impacts a small number of people"
Then some more
Then some more
And so on

The police continue to argue that it will stop the "flow'" of firearms from licensed owners to unlicensed but again, that is only after the fact and I'd warrant you could go a long time between audits and have purchased a lot of firearms in the meantime. That's your gang initiation passed, a spell inside, a patch and a meth dealership awaits you once you are out.
Or of course, just add a couple of crates of guns to your drug importation order.

A clusterfuck it will be

I suspect that if they go the way of their proposals it will pretty soon result in an increased ack market and counter productive to a basic register.

Originally Posted by imaca

Of course there are catches and of course they will start to ask for justification for everything that you own
And of course the registry will be abused by the powers that be, why would you think otherwise?

It's not a shopping list for crims and I wish people would stop using this as an argument against the register. If crims knew you had a FAL they would just figure out what they want to steal once they get there, there is no selectivity to it.

It is however a CONFISCATION list for the police/government.
They'll start with some unusual and low volume firearms because "it only impacts a small number of people"
Then some more
Then some more
And so on

The police continue to argue that it will stop the "flow'" of firearms from licensed owners to unlicensed but again, that is only after the fact and I'd warrant you could go a long time between audits and have purchased a lot of firearms in the meantime. That's your gang initiation passed, a spell inside, a patch and a meth dealership awaits you once you are out.
Or of course, just add a couple of crates of guns to your drug importation order.


A clusterfuck it will be

I don’t think otherwise that’s why I said what I said
I don’t mind the idea of the Registry
If it was used as such

But I know it will be abused if they decide to ban more guns which they probably will and sadly I don’t think there’s much we can do about it you can bitch moan and protest all you want but they don’t give two fucks about what we think… so yes they will know exactly who’s got what
But what is the other option keep the gun Illegally and risk your license
Maybe just me but no firearm no matter how cool or nice is worth loosing your license over

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

I don’t think otherwise that’s why I said what I said
I don’t mind the idea of the Registry
If it was used as such

But I know it will be abused if they decide to ban more guns which they probably will and sadly I don’t think there’s much we can do about it you can bitch moan and protest all you want but they don’t give two fucks about what we think… so yes they will know exactly who’s got what
But what is the other option keep the gun Illegally and risk your license
Maybe just me but no firearm no matter how cool or nice is worth loosing your license over

@rambo-6mmrem I think we are in vigorous agreement!

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Maybe just me but no firearm no matter how cool or nice is worth loosing your license over

What if they want to take all of them? Then your licence is worth nothing anyway.