Thread: Firearms Safety Authority

Originally Posted by kotuku

Ive got similar written evidence here plus a few overseas studies which clearly show the schemoozle these schemes turn into even more to the point the woeful standards so called academics employ in studies on the subject.

We had a register and we abandoned it because it didn't work - back when "lifetime licenses" were a thing
We have a register now and it is faulty - ask anyone with a B or C or back in the E days - Plod would always fuck something up
I'm recorded as having two 1911's - I'd love that to be true hell I'd like 20 of them but nope, just the one

Remember the recommendation post Chch was that the Police are relieved of the job of licensing because they are consistently shit at running a secure database


I'm all for giving an individual officer a chance but let's keep a sense of perspective here - we have been royally shafted for fucking years now and just cos some people are saying someone is nice once in a while it doesn't alter the basic facts

Oh look, the sword someone is shoving up my arse is encrusted with diamonds, how pretty

i called them the other day i had issues with a 43a that was going to shooters supply's and i shipped it the day before the shop closed without notice
the guy i spoke to was a little bit lost as was i as this was a 1st and we weren't sure what to do.
he said he would talk to his boss and call me back in 2 hours
almost exactly 2 hours later the phone rang it was him and he told me exactly what we needed to do which was nothing as he had organized it all.
the

super helpful guy nothing but good reports from me

just remember we all didn't know how to do our jobs when we started work regardless of what our chosen Parth and remember not all of them will have worked with firearms before
just give the poor bastards a chance

How quickly those in power forget - after WW1, WW2 and the Korean war we pushed training in basic military competencies for the average male member of the public, and also supported and paid in the form of ammo and service-spec rifles "skill-at-arms" activities to ensure that there was a significant pool of people to draw from in the event of a requirement for a general callup for military purposes.

That memory has gone, condemned to the sands of time and for a lot of the current crop of politicians and Police hierarchy completely out of their sphere of experience. Unfortunately for those that believe wholeheartedly in the bogus UN disarmament propaganda the current world events with many civil wars and even a main state invasion of a neighboring country really do make a mockery of that belief. The other contributing set of factors is the woeful state of our military and for that matter the general state of our civil defence and general emergency services capabilities. A general standard of training and capability among the public would come in handy wouldn't it!

Switzerland hasn’t forgotten, but then they haven’t taken part an any war since god knows when……then again they haven’t been invaded either.
Watching this Sudanese thing with mixed emotions. Really enjoyed my time there when doing the Nile route while overlanding.

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Switzerland hasn’t forgotten, but then they haven’t taken part an any war since god knows when……then again they haven’t been invaded either.
Watching this Sudanese thing with mixed emotions. Really enjoyed my time there when doing the Nile route while overlanding.

That Sudan thing has potential. I think we really need to have a really good think about where we are in the world, and what the potential for security and conflict is. I can't believe what Ardern did ramming our debt up so high for such little effective gain (completely avoiding any reference to the politics of the time). That debt should have been maintained in reserve and not frittered away.

This is a bit out of synch with recent posts in this thread but I thought you might be interested in these excerpts from a recent communication from the compliance office of the Firearms Safety Authority.

“Unfortunately with the new regulations recently passed, (15 December 2022), there is now no way that Police or any other entity can give exemptions to the 12 shoot requirement for a B Category Endorsement holder.“

and ……

“if you don’t think you will be able to make 12 shoots in year ending June XXXX it may be that you should consider surrendering your B Endorsement until such time as you can again meet that 12 shoot requirement”.

My view of the last excerpt is that the language is very weak given the absoluteness of the statement in the first excerpt. It makes me think that the writer is encouraging surrender because there is some doubt about the veracity of the first.

@308 I am interested as to whether you replied to the letter you got and if so whether you have had a subsequent response.

Originally Posted by Rushy

This is a bit out of synch with recent posts in this thread but I thought you might be interested in these excerpts from a recent communication from the compliance office of the Firearms Safety Authority.

“Unfortunately with the new regulations recently passed, (15 December 2022), there is now no way that Police or any other entity can give exemptions to the 12 shoot requirement for a B Category Endorsement holder.“

and ……

“if you don’t think you will be able to make 12 shoots in year ending June XXXX it may be that you should consider surrendering your B Endorsement until such time as you can again meet that 12 shoot requirement”.

My view of the last excerpt is that the language is very weak given the absoluteness of the statement in the first excerpt. It makes me think that the writer is encouraging surrender because there is some doubt about the veracity of the first.

@308 I am interested as to whether you replied to the letter you got and if so whether you have had a subsequent response.

It is the Pistol Clubs who grant an exemption from the 12 shoots with a legitimate reason such as illness or injury or suchlike. Not the Police. There are going to be big problems with uneducated Firearms Authority staff mis-interpreting regulations.

Originally Posted by BSA

It is the Pistol Clubs who grant an exemption from the 12 shoots with a legitimate reason such as illness or injury or suchlike. Not the Police. There are going to be big problems with uneducated Firearms Authority staff mis-interpreting regulations.

Please confirm your statement by providing reference to the relevant Act and Regulation.
It's hard to argue the contrary without knowing the specifics of any legislation.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Please confirm your statement by providing reference to the relevant Act and Regulation.
It's hard to argue the contrary without knowing the specifics of any legislation.

After trawling the Regs I sent an e-mail to PNZ and received this in reply. It clarifies matters clearly...


If a member cannot make the 12, then they need to contact clubs and ranges ASAP, with a reason.

There has never been a dispensation built into the law to allow a person to NOT complete at least 12 activities in a year.

Historically the Police ignored this and gave dispensations based on good reasons.

Now the Police are following the letter of the law.



The likely process from now on will be (this is based on replies seen to date):

· If a member send clubs and ranges a letter asking for dispensation and the reason, as soon as they know they cannot complete the 12.

· The Police will send back a letter indicating they will file the request till the end of the activities year (this being the 1st of July to 30th of June).

· At that stage the club will send in the number completed by the member to clubs and ranges.

· If the member is short of the 12, the Police will send a letter indicating they were short and a reminder they need to complete the 12. The Police will note this against the endorsement on the licence.

· If this happens twice, then the Police may take further action like suspension of the licence pending revocation.



Note: the Police may also decide the situation requires no further action and will not note this against the licence. This is on a case by case basis and will be the Police’s discretion.



Clubs cannot grant leave separate to the process above.

I hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Rushy

This is a bit out of synch with recent posts in this thread but I thought you might be interested in these excerpts from a recent communication from the compliance office of the Firearms Safety Authority.

“Unfortunately with the new regulations recently passed, (15 December 2022), there is now no way that Police or any other entity can give exemptions to the 12 shoot requirement for a B Category Endorsement holder.“

and ……

“if you don’t think you will be able to make 12 shoots in year ending June XXXX it may be that you should consider surrendering your B Endorsement until such time as you can again meet that 12 shoot requirement”.

My view of the last excerpt is that the language is very weak given the absoluteness of the statement in the first excerpt. It makes me think that the writer is encouraging surrender because there is some doubt about the veracity of the first.

@308 I am interested as to whether you replied to the letter you got and if so whether you have had a subsequent response.

Here you go

Good afternoon Pete,



Thank you for your email and I appreciate your explanation.



I have reviewed the information you have provided below and I advise you that the email sent to you on 30 March 2023 is in relation to the financial year ending June 2022, noting your firearms licence was not current for the entire duration of this year.



As such, I will rescind this notice from your firearms licence and there will be no noting in regard to this. Please note that we base our response solely off what information your respective Pistol Club provides us and with the sheer amount of individuals we receive information of, we must ensure this information is accurate going forward, so I appreciate you informing us on this miscommunication.



If you wish to proceed with a complaint, you may do so by visiting the Te Tari Pureke – Firearms Safety Authority website at the following link: https://www.firearmssafetyauthority..../give-feedback



I apologise for any inconvenience caused and I will ensure this is removed from your firearms licence.



Kind regards,



Ngā mihi



Laura

Compliance and Resolutions Lead
Compliance

That’s a good and just result.

Thank you for the clarification, which interpretation is a little different from that which you stated in post #58.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Thank you for the clarification, which interpretation is a little different from that which you stated in post #58.

It is, I have been a President and Secretary of a Pistol Club and have signed off a number of members at times for various reasons. I was very surprised at that response.

So how does 5 hours equate to the stated cost for renewal if it is on a cost-recovery basis? I very much doubt that they are paying their vetting staff circa $200 an hour!

Originally Posted by No.3

So how does 5 hours equate to the stated cost for renewal if it is on a cost-recovery basis? I very much doubt that they are paying their vetting staff circa $200 an hour!

How do I know? Obviously though, there is a lot more work done on a licence than just the vettors input. There must be background checks, transport and printing and the Arms Officer's salary. You change your address and currently you don't get charged for a vettor to come and inspect your security and write up a report, etc. All the paperwork connected with that and so on. We can only guess at what the new cost of a licence will be. I'm pretty sure it won't be anywhere near what was suggested by the police. Don't hold be to that though.