Thread: Firearms Security Submission

Originally Posted by Cordite

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As you all read about the police consultation exercise I guess most of you made a submission.

I never received acknowledgement of my emailed submission. Did anyone else?

I had an auto reply from the MP but nothing from Plod.

No but I gotan automatic reply from Stuart Nash;s office as he was cc d it.

no but i got one from Stewart nash who i cc into the email

got nothing back at all

Originally Posted by 199p

no but i got one from Stewart nash who i cc into the email

@199p

I should maybe have written to him instead then.

Originally Posted by 199p

no but i got one from Stewart nash who i cc into the email

this was what I got too

No reply received.

I got no reply at all

didnt hear a damn word !

I received one from Nash, not the police, but that’s just bad management or arrogance, or maybe the lost file?

Originally Posted by Maca49

I received one from Nash, not the police, but that’s just bad management or arrogance, or maybe the lost file?

or they were hoping they had engineered the whole thing to happen in such a short timeframe there should not have been any submissions.

I really wish i was not quite so cynical but.................. I am.

Originally Posted by mikee

or they were hoping they had engineered the whole thing to happen in such a short timeframe there should not have been any submissions.

I really wish i was not quite so cynical but.................. I am.

that is because your old, that's life, if you were young you would be naïve, so what are the ones in between called?

Originally Posted by Paddy79

that is because your old, that's life, if you were young you would be naïve, so what are the ones in between called?

Not wet behind the ears but still a little damp there.

Originally Posted by mikee

or they were hoping they had engineered the whole thing to happen in such a short timeframe there should not have been any submissions.

I really wish i was not quite so cynical but.................. I am.

What is the difference between realisim and Cynical? Only the experience to know that Cynical is the same as realisim

Originally Posted by timattalon

What is the difference between realisim and Cynical? Only the experience to know that Cynical is the same as realisim

@timattalon

My penny's worth

My understanding for a number of years has been that cynicism is a state of mind that predisposes one to see everything from a bad and bitter perspective. Whereas cynicism is often born out of experience (but can simply have been absorbed by the inexperienced from cynical company, reading, viewing or even an internet forum), it is nevertheless the outlook of someone jaded, with a chronically negative expectation he/she just cannot shake off. This can sadly make someone less fun to socialise with.

Realism is less biased and a healthy realist can view things from both their pessimistic and optimistic sides. Usually aided by an absence of fear of doing either. Realism I think takes a bit of conscious effort, after the initial knee jerk responses, but that said, gut feelings are not to be ignored.

Idealists are similar to cynics in that they prefer to see things a certain way, according to their world view or ideology. Like cynics, idealists also have a blind spot to the opposite side as they filter it out according to their preferences. Politicians are often idealists and may make bad practical calls for that reason.

In the current police consutation situation... if LFAOs hold to a beautiful and optimistic view of the rosy goodness of human nature, they would tend to see the police consultation exercise as somewhat inept and time pressured but nevertheless evidencing genuine interest in the views of a law abiding group of people who generally know what they are talking about. Realistically, there is likely an element of such goodness and sensibleness, but this will be rigidly contained and has to fall in line with the NZ Police's inflexible top-down hierarchy. As such, yes, this consultation exercise smells of tokenism, but our contributions nevertheless had to be made.

Realists among us CC'd their submissions to the Police Minister. Being a bit of an idealist I'm playing catch-up with the realists and will also write to the Police Minister myself soon.