Thread: First firearm data leak didn’t take long

Originally Posted by Maca49

You might get your horses into foal?

What's with your sudden interest with horses and cows Maca?
Now if you mention that donkey incident... whoops already said too much

Well they are off to a bloody good start arent they-makes you wonder if they themselves are "fit and proper "or "responsible" to hold the information.

13 SEPTEMBER 2019
Tighter gun laws for the safety of all
Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern
Hon Stuart Nash
Prime Minister

Police
The Government is taking steps to ensure gun ownership is restricted to responsible users, and to stop the flow of guns into the black market as legislation is introduced to Parliament today, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says.

Hmmm , I’m sitting on the fence like many others and watching , this is shit is not a confidence booster I have to say ……

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Now if you mention that donkey incident... whoops already said too much

Maca’s antics that day brought new meaning to covering your ass. Ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by PadLo

Well slap my ass and call me charlie.....

Now, now. This is not THAT sort of forum.

Originally Posted by stug

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-fi...AKF2IJXQE7O6I/

Basically firearms owners email address in the cc field rather than the bcc field

"The newly created Firearms Safety Authority has found themselves in the gun after another inadvertent leak of the details of Auckland firearms owners.

In an email sent shortly after noon on Wednesday, seen by the Herald, Auckland Central Police District firearms staff emailed more than 100 gun owners to warn them their listed firearms licence address may not be up to date.

Their email addresses, in many cases including their first and last names, were visible in the cc field, rather than hidden in the bcc section."

The "leak" was inevitable when human error is an element.

To be fair if you don't already have at least one email address that doesn't give your first name and surname (and employers name) you should.
You shouldn't use an email address that identifies you so easily.

I have my own internet domain and have many different email addresses from that.
Example nzhs@<my domain>.<suffix>.nz
If I get spam from this address I'd know the leak was from here.

Security starts with yourself and then anyone or any organisation that you give your details to.

That allows me to track spam - if it comes with a specific email address I know where the leak of the address came from.

That is far too much admin for a lazy old bugger. Just the one Rushy@whogivesashit.now email address work for me. Ha hahaha

Why would anyone register their firearms now? Bugger that, I’ll be the last in the cue thanks. Might be a long cue I think.

Does anyone know how long the Canadian registration system was in force before they canned it?

Slightly off topic but....I recently sold a firearm. The section of the form I had to fill in to give to the buyer (to give to the police) required my name, address, phone number, email address and firearms license number. This was all done online. I asked if I could give this direct to the police but that was not an option apparently.
So I have just given these details to a total stranger. How the hell can that be a safe??? How do I, or the police, or anyone else know that person can be trusted with that information???? They could pass them on to anyone! On top of that I now have all of their details (name, FAL number etc).

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

Why would anyone register their firearms now? Bugger that, I’ll be the last in the cue thanks. Might be a long cue I think.

Does anyone know how long the Canadian registration system was in force before they canned it?

It hasn't been canned. It has been modified. "Restricted and prohibited classification" fire arms still have to be individually registered.
I think that might be an acceptable political and public landing point for our registration. But it will take time.

Originally Posted by Shearer

Slightly off topic but....I recently sold a firearm. The section of the form I had to fill in to give to the buyer (to give to the police) required my name, address, phone number, email address and firearms license number. This was all done online. I asked if I could give this direct to the police but that was not an option apparently.
So I have just given these details to a total stranger. How the hell can that be a safe??? How do I, or the police, or anyone else know that person can be trusted with that information???? They could pass them on to anyone! On top of that I now have all of their details (name, FAL number etc).

That's the thing. We have got our tits in a tangle over the email "leak" 'cos its a convenient way to pour scorn on the system, but there are a myriad of ways naughty people can find out who has firearms. Almost all of them outside of the registration framework.

I don't think it is so much the leak itself that is the problem, but the fact that the authorities who run it were adamant that there was no chance of that happening.

Having been involved in the Auckland derelict Police building info breach - why should I now have any faith in the people who have just proved they are incapable of even the most basic data security????

Originally Posted by Tahr

That's the thing. We have got our tits in a tangle over the email "leak" 'cos its a convenient way to pour scorn on the system, but there are a myriad of ways naughty people can find out who has firearms. Almost all of them outside of the registration framework.

No, the people that swore black and blue that the info would be safe have now presided over a system that has had three major leaks of data in less than four years yet are still adamant that the registry containing ALL of this data not just snippets of it will be safe. On past performance how many warning events do we ignore before a MAJOR (and at this point inevitable) failure that can't be recovered occurs? The main point is that this contains personal private data like fixed addresses that can't easily be changed. In the event it's leaked, it doesn't matter that the person affected sods off to another house - that address is permanently marked on the leaked list as a "get your firearms here" address.

Originally Posted by Tahr

It hasn't been canned. It has been modified. "Restricted and prohibited classification" fire arms still have to be individually registered.
I think that might be an acceptable political and public landing point for our registration. But it will take time.

Restricted firearms are already registered in nz arent they?