Thread: Gun Safe Rules - Advice

Originally Posted by bully

If you look at it like there are no rules for mounting...(the arms officer that did mine just grabbed it and shook it, and said yes that's sturdy) yet you want it the best you can do. As in not obvious, and everything you can do to keep a thief out. Nothing's full proof, but Screw, bolt, weld, round off screw/bolts and anything else you can think of. And plenty of those screws etc.And I'm sure it will be fine.
Bolts and ammo just have to be somewhere else, separate. A small Bunnings safe may suit you, and mount it in the same manner.
As said sheds can be damp, or somewhere by power so you can use a small wordrobe heater or the likes to keep moisture at bay.
Maybe keep tools in the shed that can be used to break into the safe out of reach.
You won't be able to stop thieves but maybe slow them.

No legal requirement to remove bolts from rifles, nor is there for ammo to be locked up. You can put it in the back of a closet.

Originally Posted by Jexla

No legal requirement to remove bolts from rifles, nor is there for ammo to be locked up. You can put it in the back of a closet.

Thanks for your input Jexla. Not yet having my FAL though, I'm unsure whether if I take the minimalistic approach with regards to securing ammo and/or the bolt separately, the person vetting me will take a dim view. I want to be safe and secure, and I have two young kids in the house, and I may be over thinking all this, but I just want things to go as smoothly as possible...


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Originally Posted by Matt-j

Thanks for your input Jexla. Not yet having my FAL though, I'm unsure whether if I take the minimalistic approach with regards to securing ammo and/or the bolt separately, the person vetting me will take a dim view. I want to be safe and secure, and I have two young kids in the house, and I may be over thinking all this, but I just want things to go as smoothly as possible...


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As much security as possible is encouraged!

I recommend concrete screw bolts over dyna type bolts, have a higher KN rating and are easier to install and remove if moving the safe.

Originally Posted by Savage1

I recommend concrete screw bolts over dyna type bolts, have a higher KN rating and are easier to install and remove if moving the safe.

Or ChemSet but they are permanent and need cutting off flush if moving to tidy up.

As you have gathered, security requirements vary, they shouldn't though. It seems at the whim of different AOs, when really the Police make sh*t up as to 'their policy'.

As Jexla said, over engineer your security for piece of mind. Don't make it easy for the theiving bastards to steal your property.
My over engineered 10mm 40kg plus underfloor plate was a right prick to install at my old house in the crawl space. The bolts were welded in, so I had to jack it up straight up into the safe. Took me ages and could barely walk after. But it wasn't going to shift. The vettor didn't even bother to check it when I described it and showed photos of the install.

When we moved, it was just as a pain to remove. Whitetail spider bites and all (fell down my shirt).

Originally Posted by dogmatix

As you have gathered, security requirements vary, they shouldn't though. It seems at the whim of different AOs, when really the Police make sh*t up as to 'their policy'.

As Jexla said, over engineer your security for piece of mind. Don't make it easy for the theiving bastards to steal your property.
My over engineered 10mm 40kg plus underfloor plate was a right prick to install at my old house in the crawl space. The bolts were welded in, so I had to jack it up straight up into the safe. Took me ages and could barely walk after. But it wasn't going to shift. The vettor didn't even bother to check it when I described it and showed photos of the install.

When we moved, it was just as a pain to remove. Whitetail spider bites and all (fell down my shirt).

Thanks for the advice dogmatix- I think I'll try and avoid the spiderbites though...!


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Originally Posted by dogmatix

As you have gathered, security requirements vary, they shouldn't though. It seems at the whim of different AOs, when really the Police make sh*t up as to 'their policy'.

As Jexla said, over engineer your security for piece of mind. Don't make it easy for the theiving bastards to steal your property.
My over engineered 10mm 40kg plus underfloor plate was a right prick to install at my old house in the crawl space. The bolts were welded in, so I had to jack it up straight up into the safe. Took me ages and could barely walk after. But it wasn't going to shift. The vettor didn't even bother to check it when I described it and showed photos of the install.

When we moved, it was just as a pain to remove. Whitetail spider bites and all (fell down my shirt).

We did something similar at a mates place, but him being smart and lazy made him think about how to, a bit too much first. He basicly did exactly as you have but he added a threaded hole (M10) in the centre as well. He then got a length of M10 rod and dropped it in through the locker and wound the base plate up with a drill on the end of the thread passing though the plate. Once everything was in place and fitted he removed the rod. One thing he did do differently was to make each of the bolts from underneath a slightly different length. That way as it came up he could line them up one at a time rather than all four at once.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nkv8ujsc2...3+52+56+pm.mov

safe does need to be secured

what im trying to figure out is if i can put it in a unlock able garage

If you get into reloading there is a requirement that powder isn't stored in a dwelling.
I think that is in the hazardous substances legislation, and not more that 15 kg in total.
Legally an attached garage counts as being part of the dwelling as does a basement.
I have about 13 kg unused powder and more than 2 kg loaded in cases which doesn't count.

I now have 2 gun safes, one for rifles, one for powder and ammunition in a garage not attached to our house.
Bolts are stored separately in a lock box away from ammo and rifles.

When my son was vetted for his FAL the vetter asked why ammunition was being stored on top of the gunsafes.
Had to explain that it wasn't what she saw was ~2000 223 projectiles and ~4000 308 projectiles. Completely harmless in that form.